maddux31 Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 I dropped a small 5/16 socket in distributor hole where the oil pump drive is when priming the oil system. Will I be able to move this around with a magnet or are the baffles and all that stuff around the pickup screen going to prevent me from being able to do anything about it?? Possibly get it over to drain hole? Will the oil pressure eventuallymove it over to the screen until I have the motor out again? Anybody have a picture of an oil pan off of a 3.1L? Any differences inside the TGP oil pan and a regular 3.1L?Wish I would have took a picture of it when it was off. Help!!! Info??? TIA Dale. Omaha, NE. I'm wondering if I can get a flexible magnet to go in from above the cam and reach to the pan and feel around but I wonder if the tin baffles in the pan will obstruct the magnet defeating the purpose??? Where's Chris A. at? he should know if this will be OK or if I have to do something about it. Quote
Robby1870 Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 Oh man......that blows. I dont think a 5/16 socket will come out of the drain hole. TGP oil pan and regular 3.1L oil pan are the same minus the oil tube running from the pan to the turbo. It'll prolly just drop on down to the bottom of the pan and roll around, hitting your crank and what not Quote
patgizz Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 i would definitely pull whatever off needed to get it out of there, or else you're asking for trouble. try a magnetic pickup tool, maybe tape something around the sides so it can't get pulled toward the block. Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted February 12, 2004 Report Posted February 12, 2004 how about getting under the car, and placing a big strong magnet on the oil pan, then drag the magnet over towards the drain hole...and hope the socket falls out? just an idea thats sucks tho, good luck. joshua Quote
maddux31 Posted February 12, 2004 Author Report Posted February 12, 2004 Oh man......that blows. I dont think a 5/16 socket will come out of the drain hole. TGP oil pan and regular 3.1L oil pan are the same minus the oil tube running from the pan to the turbo. It'll prolly just drop on down to the bottom of the pan and roll around, hitting your crank and what notI don't think I really have anything to worry about if it gets to the bottom of the pan, The clearance at the bottom of the cranks radius should give it enough room to get down to the screen and stay in that general area without coming in contact with the crank.--I HOPE!!! Quote
maddux31 Posted February 12, 2004 Author Report Posted February 12, 2004 i would definitely pull whatever off needed to get it out of there, or else you're asking for trouble. try a magnetic pickup tool, maybe tape something around the sides so it can't get pulled toward the block. I have a flat 7" piece of magnet on the bottom of the pan near the drain plug and I'm praying that after I start it up and drive a little bit the socket will come in contact with that area and stay there til I change the oil. Quote
maddux31 Posted February 12, 2004 Author Report Posted February 12, 2004 how about getting under the car, and placing a big strong magnet on the oil pan, then drag the magnet over towards the drain hole...and hope the socket falls out? just an idea thats sucks tho, good luck. joshua Tried that and I don't hear the socket moving around. I do know that the socket made it to the pan cause I moved the crank to try and see the socket and it dropped to the pan. I really thought this would work but after 2 hours I am giving up and saying F that socket I'm going to be driving my car tomorrow night. Thanks for the input. Quote
Robby1870 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 Oh man......that blows. I dont think a 5/16 socket will come out of the drain hole. TGP oil pan and regular 3.1L oil pan are the same minus the oil tube running from the pan to the turbo. It'll prolly just drop on down to the bottom of the pan and roll around, hitting your crank and what notI don't think I really have anything to worry about if it gets to the bottom of the pan, The clearance at the bottom of the cranks radius should give it enough room to get down to the screen and stay in that general area without coming in contact with the crank.--I HOPE!!! Yeah, theres enough room for it not to hit it, but you never know! Pray that it doesnt get thrown up there with the oil! Quote
idbeast Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 To answer your quesion you will be OK it will drop into the oil pan and just sit there, the oil pump can't pick it because of the pickup screen... The socket is heavy enough the oil won't throw it anywhere, plus the baffle will keep the oil from sloshing... Sorry I couldn't do the flash, my step son borrowed my camera and didn't recharge the battery... :read: Oil pan: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/oilpan.JPG Distributor hole: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/dishole.JPG Distributor hole with bottom light: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/dishbl.JPG Quote
maddux31 Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Posted February 13, 2004 To answer your quesion you will be OK it will drop into the oil pan and just sit there, the oil pump can't pick it because of the pickup screen... The socket is heavy enough the oil won't throw it anywhere, plus the baffle will keep the oil from sloshing... Sorry I couldn't do the flash, my step son borrowed my camera and didn't recharge the battery... :read: Oil pan: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/oilpan.JPG Distributor hole: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/dishole.JPG Distributor hole with bottom light: http://www.turbograndprix.com/infopics/dishbl.JPG You're making me feel warm and fuzzy with the good news. Thanks a lot for the picture it relieves me much. I'm almost sure the socket went all the way to the bottom after looking at the pic of the oil pan Can't figure out why the magnet (under pan)(150 lb rating) will not "carry" the socket to the drain hole??Hope to be on the road tomorrow evening!!!!! Dale Quote
idbeast Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 The magnet make the socket also act as a magnet and it in turn sticks to the pan releaseing itself from the magnet breaking the magnetic field... Quote
maddux31 Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Posted February 13, 2004 The magnet make the socket also act as a magnet and it in turn sticks to the pan releaseing itself from the magnet breaking the magnetic field...Like I said I'm a carpenter :shock: :shock: I bet you are right--never thought about how a magnet will "run" from another magnet if opposing each other, makes sense to me. Now all I have to do is make the socket "run" out the hole. going to the garage...... Quote
phantomFE3 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 are you nucking futs!?!?! get that thing out of there as fast as you can!!!!!!!! you think that that oil at operating temp is thick enough that it will keep the socket down at the bottom when you go over a bump at 65 miles an hour and launch that socket into the crank and all over hell!? man, you must be crazy, if it were me id take the pan off and get that sucker out of there, cant be too careful, i know id rather take a few hours and a couple bucks for a new gasket or whatever you need to take the oilpan off, ge tthat socket out of there, than have that thing bouncin around in there and having it break something on the inside or dig a nice little trench in your cylinder wall or something, and pay alot of money to get it fixed Quote
maddux31 Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Posted February 13, 2004 are you nucking futs!?!?! get that thing out of there as fast as you can!!!!!!!! you think that that oil at operating temp is thick enough that it will keep the socket down at the bottom when you go over a bump at 65 miles an hour and launch that socket into the crank and all over hell!? man, you must be crazy, if it were me id take the pan off and get that sucker out of there, cant be too careful, i know id rather take a few hours and a couple bucks for a new gasket or whatever you need to take the oilpan off, ge tthat socket out of there, than have that thing bouncin around in there and having it break something on the inside or dig a nice little trench in your cylinder wall or something, and pay alot of money to get it fixedI blew a whole lobe off my camshaft and it didn't even scratch the crank or anything else in the motor. the socket weighs less than 5 grams, 2 inches of oil in the pan when operating (guessing?), I just hope you are wrong about the socket LAUNCHING into the crank. I'm going to take my chances and leave it in there for now. Thanks for the input. Not trying to ignore you but I don't have time to rent a cherry picker, pull motor, take pan off, remove socket, reinstall pan, reinstall motor, reinstall all accesories, reinstall turbo, and have everything done by Sun. afternoon. I just sold my pickup truck and this is my transportation for the moment. Dale. Quote
stlunatics2oo3 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 umm one why take motor out to change oil pan get a jack slide under it and unbolt the shit and drop the pan unless the damn tgp oil pan is different i changed my oil pan with out takin the motor out my 2 cents Jeremy Quote
maddux31 Posted February 13, 2004 Author Report Posted February 13, 2004 umm one why take motor out to change oil pan get a jack slide under it and unbolt the shit and drop the pan unless the damn tgp oil pan is different i changed my oil pan with out takin the motor out my 2 cents Jeremy I just read the service manual on dropping the oil pan and it seems a little easier than what I thought. Never done it so I was just assumming that I had to pull the motor. where do you place the jack to support the engine while you drop the frame down? Quote
z24 turbo 93 Posted February 13, 2004 Report Posted February 13, 2004 you need a cherry picker to hold the engine up. or i think they(service shops) have some aparatus that can bolt to your strut tower braces and that will hold up the engine. Quote
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