dkorinko Posted January 6, 2004 Report Share Posted January 6, 2004 I was wondering if anyone had a part number for upgraded fuel injectors for the TGP. And I would like to know exactly how much of an upgrade they are. Will the car be fine keeping the same chip and changing the injectors???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RareGMFan Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Actually, you'll need to have a custom chip made for the bigger injectors. Accell had what I think were 29lb replacements, but I'm not too fond of Accell. Some people have had success with them, but I've heard nearly three times as many complaints about various parts from them. I know Jeff M is working on a chip to run 29lb injectors, but I believe it will also be designed to run in conjunction with a bigger turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Actually, you'll need to have a custom chip made for the bigger injectors. Accell had what I think were 29lb replacements, but I'm not too fond of Accell. Some people have had success with them, but I've heard nearly three times as many complaints about various parts from them. I know Jeff M is working on a chip to run 29lb injectors, but I believe it will also be designed to run in conjunction with a bigger turbo. I have been trying to talk to jeff for about the oh....past 6 months! and still nothing as far as a bigger turbo and bigger injectors go, thats why i made the topic in the first place. He doesnt respond to any emails, so i have no clue whats going on? id be happy to use him for a new chip, turbo, and injectors....if he was WILLING! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 I have been trying to talk to jeff for about the oh....past 6 months! and still nothing as far as a bigger turbo and bigger injectors go, thats why i made the topic in the first place. He doesnt respond to any emails, so i have no clue whats going on? id be happy to use him for a new chip, turbo, and injectors....if he was WILLING! Sorry you are bumming, no emails does mean not finished with all this testing, and some of that is lead to on the other message board regarding back pressure from air flow upgrades via cams and/or heads, AND turbos. I have had to pull in some favors and am working with one of the known best gurus in the turbo business to address my last issue. There are some serious bridges to cross but aside from the fact I will not give up, there are some good looking options for me being worked on and I will know here soon I hope, but that still leaves me with testing these results on a couple of test-bed TGPs I have here! As for bigger injectors for a stock TGP, doing a calc of the stock injectors output/fuel pump output and considering 92 octane and the limits of the stock turbo etc, we are running within the maximum limits chip’d, meaning…..no benefits to larger injectors with all these stock components. Well that’s it for now, its 4am and this is getting regularly insane, over the holidays and with my wife off the whole time, I still pulled 3 all nighters meaning up at 7am and not into bed until midnight the next day/night, to make the math easier, that is being up for 41 hours straight, and did this 3 times over the holiday season, all this to try and get projects done here, and not easy ones either as one of those long ass days pulled an engine and tranny out of a TSTE, stripped all the wire looms and replaced all, tore down the engine and inspected/mic’d dimensions, easy work like that :shock: . So, I am doing more than I should to get things done including testing upgraded heads and turbos and injectors so if I don’t reply to the same question in emails or on the board it’s because I is a little busy :yikes: , don’t take it personal , there is a lot more going on than you can see or I got time to explain, but its all good . Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Jeff, I have found people who can do a turbo upgrade for me and i was just wondering if you could do a chip for it??? I'd be wanting to do a new chip, injectors, intercooler, and turbo at the same time. If u are inerested let me know, i am pretty much willing to spend anything. And I also have a scan tool so if we needed to go through various chips like u and mike gardner did, that would be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted January 7, 2004 Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 Jeff, I have found people who can do a turbo upgrade for me and i was just wondering if you could do a chip for it??? I'd be wanting to do a new chip, injectors, intercooler, and turbo at the same time. If u are inerested let me know, i am pretty much willing to spend anything. And I also have a scan tool so if we needed to go through various chips like u and mike gardner did, that would be fine. Couple of things, go read the info in the post-link below regarding bolt-on turbo upgrades for the TGP (in a post regarding other air increase mods i.e. cams): http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6942&start=15&sid=83daf7ee783cce8076c22a3d77a27ee2 For now that type of “bolt-on†turbo is all I am working on, and has the potential for 300 to 350 hp depending on some final testing results. I am trying to keep to this “Bolt-on†style to keep things easy and cheaper while still achieving the goal of a first stage turbo upgrade in the 300 to 350 hp range (and a chip/injectors to go with it), beyond those hp numbers will require more custom work/extra $$ costs and is not for the masses. And I see no reason to lock people into just my 300 to 350 hp turbo other than what I cannot control and that is the facts mentioned in the link above: matched sizes and A/R ratios, not all 300 to 350 hp turbos are the same and the chip I do will not work with different versions (mainly the A/R ratios). As for taking on another test-bed TGP, first back when Mike and I got hooked up I was not buried in projects as I am now, and Mike had very few questions and knew his shit very well, and after quite a few custom chips and many emails and feedback and reviewing Diacom Plus runs, we got him taken care of, but he also returned the favor by helping me out with testing such things as some custom Drag Blocks (Anti-Squat) I have still in testing (and so many more items like this I don’t got time to list, but will when they are fully tested!), but time like that is impossible for me now :shock: ! Besides I have 2 test-bed TGPs here for the heads and turbo tests, and another for just turbo upgrade tests so all set there, thanks for the offer but its better and faster for me to have direct access to what I am doing, BUT once I am comfortable with the final results and repeatability of the kits, will enjoy seeing those who run these send back some Scan Tool results, its sort of a personal reward for me to see the same successful readings 8) . All I can say now is what a few like 95GTP say, save up some money, fix the other issues with your car, its part of the cost of buying and driving a used car, but there is nothing more cost effective than a used car when compared to new, thinking about new car payments of say $300 to $400 a month, times just 12 months (most new car loans are a little bit longer!!) and after a that year you have $3,600 to $4,800 worth of cash you could put into fixing your used car/or TGP, THAT WILL fix a lot of items, or what I also like to call, restore a lot of 13 year old parts to new again (for another 13 years)! And the last thing, and I need to answer the door, a temp employee is there to put in his hours helping me, there are not many “used†cars that are a TGP, so I believe its worth it as many others . Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2004 ok so pretty much if i do my own thing and switch to a different turbo and injectors...i am stuck with the chip i have??? not trying to be an ass or anything but i am just trying to see that if i go my own way i will end up screwed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 ok so pretty much if i do my own thing and switch to a different turbo and injectors...i am stuck with the chip i have??? not trying to be an ass or anything but i am just trying to see that if i go my own way i will end up screwed! If you can’t wait. There are others tackling custom installs that don’t feel like they are stuck/screwed. I thought you were throwing around the idea of selling your TGP, or sinking money into it Also when I offer info you need to use it and that link will tell you there are really no bolt-on turbo upgrades that will work i.e. not have a bunch of backpressure stopping you from gaining any power from a larger turbo/compressor wheel :read: at least from those I have run backpressure tests on, so the turbo upgrade you found is a mute point because of this. Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 ok so pretty much if i do my own thing and switch to a different turbo and injectors...i am stuck with the chip i have??? not trying to be an ass or anything but i am just trying to see that if i go my own way i will end up screwed! If you can’t wait. There are others tackling custom installs that don’t feel like they are stuck/screwed. I thought you were throwing around the idea of selling your TGP, or sinking money into it Also when I offer info you need to use it and that link will tell you there are really no bolt-on turbo upgrades that will work i.e. not have a bunch of backpressure stopping you from gaining any power from a larger turbo/compressor wheel :read: at least from those I have run backpressure tests on, so the turbo upgrade you found is a mute point because of this. Jeff M Yes i was "tossing" around the idea of selling it...I am at the point now where i either wanna go a lot faster with it, which is why i am asking u all of these questions...or find something else to go fast in. So not to put u on the spot or anything but is there any estimated time of completion on the new turbo/injectors???? And i wasnt planning on "bolting on" a new turbo, my plans only include to upgrade the turbo i already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Yes i was "tossing" around the idea of selling it...I am at the point now where i either wanna go a lot faster with it, which is why i am asking u all of these questions...or find something else to go fast in. So not to put u on the spot or anything but is there any estimated time of completion on the new turbo/injectors???? And i wasnt planning on "bolting on" a new turbo, my plans only include to upgrade the turbo i already have. No problem, I am just used to having more patience with my self, must be because I am an old man . Not sure what drives your need for faster/so fast but it all comes down to what car you want, when you can get a good one and how much getting one will cost, how much to make it run right, then how much to make it run faster/fast as you want, just some thoughts but no matter the decision, its yours to make, your money to spend and your quarter mile to drive 8) . It will be longer for my stuff than it sounds like you want to wait, that is about the best estimate I can give for now but the one you sound like you needed to hear. Good luck, lots of great cars to pick from and many more vendors, with employees to get all the go fast goodies available! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Well as i see it now it looks like i will be heading my own direction with the rest of the mods on my TGP, but hey who knows how long it will take to get the serious money together that i need to perform these tasks. I'll be sure and keep you updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGPilot Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 ok so pretty much if i do my own thing and switch to a different turbo and injectors...i am stuck with the chip i have??? not trying to be an ass or anything but i am just trying to see that if i go my own way i will end up screwed! Why would you be screwed if you went on your own to build your own custom chip? Once you get knee deep into programming a custom chip most realize that it is much less complicated than they first thought. By no means is it easy to tune your own chip...but once you get into it and see the obvious differences a minor tweek can make it becomes addictive and very fun!! It is like so many people who buy a Dell or Gateway computer because they have no idea how to build a computer. All of a sudden they study and learn how to build their first PC for $1000 that screams total apeshit in speed and graphics and then they price the same setup from Dell or Gateway and it would have cost them $2500. On the TGP page we have a forum created just for chip tuning http://www.netavalanche.com/tgp/viewforum.php?f=19 There are also links there for programs that break down into a simple format to read and write to your TGP chip to accomidate... 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Is there anyone besides jeff that messes with custom chips and would be willing to help me out???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGPilot Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Sent you a PM! 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkorinko Posted January 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 I havent got it yet???? are u sure u sent it to me??? maybe try sending it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGPilot Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Sorry...posted before I sent PM. On it's way... 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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