NCTyphoonKid Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 Tried searching but for a 3.4 dohc what are the best methods on cleaning the block side deck surface before reassembly? Quote
55trucker Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 With or without the slugs in? easier done with the slugs out, a flat sanding board, a scotchbrite pad, wd-40, acetone will work as well lay the length of the board across the width of the mating surface & smooth straight strokes from one end to the other http://www.marshallshardware.com/images2/productimages/23096-l.jpg https://repaintsupply.com/images/products/39942.jpg Quote
wstefan20 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 I know I might get some flack for this, but personally, I don't recommend this being a diy job at all, especially if you plan on making extra power. I've seen diy both work and fail, but the head gasket is specifically designed for a specific ra finish. This gasket is subject to extreme heat as well as different thermal expansion rates and load forces. I have some background in mechanical engineering, so I know (somewhat) what I'm talking about. I always take it to the machine shop. I think they charge me $50 for block and heads plus $50 for acid clean and magnaflux so for me, it's worth the piece of mind. Again, just my humble opinion, either way, I wish you luck! Imp558 and Galaxie500XL 2 Quote
Imp558 Posted February 8, 2018 Report Posted February 8, 2018 I did a scraper, very carefully followed by acetone. A scraper is a terrible idea btw. Acetone to finish is a great idea since it's insanely evaporative and leaves no film or residue. Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 9, 2018 Author Report Posted February 9, 2018 Not looking to make extra power. Just wanting it to be a drivable cruiser. The guy I asked at the machine shop said if I was doing it myself to get a 3in scotchbrite pad and it should be fine Imp558 1 Quote
Imp558 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Yeah, and if you rotate the block so things fall away from the engine instead of into the engine it'll be easier. Acetone to do a final cleaning is still a great idea. Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 9, 2018 Author Report Posted February 9, 2018 Yeah, and if you rotate the block so things fall away from the engine instead of into the engine it'll be easier. Acetone to do a final cleaning is still a great idea. Ok cool, next question is how clean should the surface be? Should all gasket material be removed? Quote
Imp558 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 yes, very clean and maybe don't get crazy with acetone until you have head gaskets ready to go on right then. Any little film of oil will be cleaned away and rust will form from just moisture in the air so we want to slap it together before that happens. Quote
redgrandprix Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 I know I might get some flack for this, but personally, I don't recommend this being a diy job at all, especially if you plan on making extra power. I've seen diy both work and fail, but the head gasket is specifically designed for a specific ra finish. This gasket is subject to extreme heat as well as different thermal expansion rates and load forces. I have some background in mechanical engineering, so I know (somewhat) what I'm talking about. I always take it to the machine shop. I think they charge me $50 for block and heads plus $50 for acid clean and magnaflux so for me, it's worth the piece of mind. Again, just my humble opinion, either way, I wish you luck!Maybe if your going to mls, i cleaned my deck surface by hand with scotchbrite and measured ra and it was around 20-30 and cometics called for a max of 50 ra i think it was. Scotchbrite by hand is not enough to really alter a machined surface even on aluminum parts but works fantastic on cleaning off old gasket materials or carbons that are "baked" on Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk wstefan20 1 Quote
wstefan20 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Maybe if your going to mls, i cleaned my deck surface by hand with scotchbrite and measured ra and it was around 20-30 and cometics called for a max of 50 ra i think it was. Scotchbrite by hand is not enough to really alter a machined surface even on aluminum parts but works fantastic on cleaning off old gasket materials or carbons that are "baked" on Sent from my SM-N900T using Tapatalk That's not bad ra at all! I guess I got screwed in the "shiny block department" when I did mine. And agreed, this is not a recommendation when going to mls. The tolerances are crazy tight there. From what you're saying though. I agree with above, you should be set and ready to go! Biggest pet peve I have is people who "just have a head gasket problem" and never bother to check the block or heads to see if anything is warped or cracked! You really do need a machinist's straight edge and feeler gauges for every head job whether it overheated or not. Doesn't sound like you skipped any steps though! Good luck! Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 9, 2018 Author Report Posted February 9, 2018 yes, very clean and maybe don't get crazy with acetone until you have head gaskets ready to go on right then. Any little film of oil will be cleaned away and rust will form from just moisture in the air so we want to slap it together before that happens. So all gasket material needs to be removed and then acetone and reassemble. I have heard of people putting shaving cream in all the ports to prevent debris from falling down in the block from what I’ve read it doesn’t affect anything Quote
wstefan20 Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 So all gasket material needs to be removed and then acetone and reassemble. I have heard of people putting shaving cream in all the ports to prevent debris from falling down in the block from what I’ve read it doesn’t affect anything Never heard of that one before... I usually just vacuum and use compressed air then brake clean and a rag to surrounding surfaces, then acetone, place the heads, immediately stick some shop towels in every port and go from there. That being said, it's not hard to turn the engine over with no spark or fuel to blow out the debris. There's many ways to do this Quote
Galaxie500XL Posted February 9, 2018 Report Posted February 9, 2018 Dad used to swear by an application of Hi Tack on head gasket surfaces. wstefan20 1 Quote
wstefan20 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 Dad used to swear by an application of Hi Tack on head gasket surfaces. In a pinch I've used permatex copper gasket spray with good results, so I have to second this Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 10, 2018 Author Report Posted February 10, 2018 Is this clean enough or should I keep going some more? Quote
Imp558 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 I'd get it all off, acetone should take it from there Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 10, 2018 Author Report Posted February 10, 2018 I'd get it all off, acetone should take it from there I hit it with some acetone and it still has a little bit Quote
Imp558 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Posted February 10, 2018 I can't tell in the picture. Mine came completely clean. There were discolored spots but nothing stuck to them. Quote
NCTyphoonKid Posted February 11, 2018 Author Report Posted February 11, 2018 Looking pretty good wstefan20 and Galaxie500XL 2 Quote
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