NCTyphoonKid Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Has anyone rebuilt one of these? The one in my 92 lumina has no more 4th gear. I'm looking to try rebuilding myself. Does anyone have a how to? Also was told I should add a shift kit to firm up the shifts when I do the rebuild Imp558 and 90sEraWhips 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Yikes! Rebuilding a tranny is fairly advanced, have you done one before? There are breakdowns online and places that sell rebuild kits usually have a how-to. It's a lot more fun to swap a good one in from another car. 4TXX transmissions have an aluminium plate on the back on the passenger's side, a code on it identifies the specifics of it, don't use any solvent on the plate as the print is painted on or you'll end up with a blank piece of aluminium. http://www.gmtuners.com/transmission/ Nas Escobar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I've messed with manual transmissions before and I've wanted to do a automatic. I have a 4t60-e in my Grand Prix parts car the only thing is it's a 3100 sfi so I can't use the harness from my understanding. I would have to find a 3.1 harness from a 93-94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Has anyone rebuilt one of these? The one in my 92 lumina has no more 4th gear. I'm looking to try rebuilding myself. Does anyone have a how to? Also was told I should add a shift kit to firm up the shifts when I do the rebuild If your 4th gear is working when cold, then goes away when the transmission is warm, you probably have an issue with the TCC apply piston...pretty common on the 4T60. The piston is known for galling the cylinder it rides in, and then it sticks in the bore. With the torque converter clutch unable to lock the converter, the ECM disables overdrive to try to save the transmission from high temperatures. I had this problem with my '95 Cutlass convertible, and it actually took a second rebuild by the transmission shop to resolve it, because they didn't listen the first time when I told them what the problem was. A scantool that can read torque converter slip percentage data from the ECM can confirm what's happening. Mine would work perfectly, until transmission temps exceeded 180 degrees, then it would disable 4th. Shutting down, and restarting the car once it was warm would allow 4th to work for a minute or so, then the ECM would disable overdrive again. You might find that simply replacing the valve body resolves the problem. There's a fairly long description of the problem that I wrote on this forum about 8 years ago that more fully describes the problem. 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Unfortunately 4th gear doesn't work at all, I found this in the trans pan. I got the cradle dropped enough to where I can access the transmission stuff and get it out hopefully 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 What is the parts car you have? I can look in alldata and see if that tranny is the same for you. 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 Someone had asked for my old write-up on the TCC apply issue, with no overdrive when hot. http://www.w-body.com/topic/41994-95-dohc-cutlass-p0740-no-overdrive-no-tcc-when-hot/ Imp558, 90sEraWhips and rich_e777 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 What is the parts car you have? I can look in alldata and see if that tranny is the same for you. I have a 94 Grand Prix with 3100 sfi and 4t60e, car runs and drives great just the body and interior is beat. I believe it has a 3.33 ratio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I'll get some Prince up for you tonight to look at. It appears as though there were two different versions of the 4T60 in that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 I'll get some Prince up for you tonight to look at. It appears as though there were two different versions of the 4T60 in that year. For 92 or 94? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 two versions in 1992 looks like the second gear switch. 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 two versions in 1992 looks like the second gear switch. Sounds good, I've been looking at rock auto and they sell rebuild kits for the 4t60 reasonably 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Found this when getting all the hoses undone for the cradle drop... joy I didn't want this kind of milkshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 The 2 revisions are with or without the 2nd gear switch 1994 4L60-E is very different. With the discovery inside the radiator in mind perhaps swap the entire 1994 powertrain? 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 How hard do you think it would be to swap the 3100 sfi into this? It has everything I can put a battery in it and drive it to my house from my moms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imp558 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 Probably have to swap quite a bit in. I can see things like instrumentation and ABS being a hurdle. I've never been waist deep into a really early one like that, maybe one of the other guys will bring some more info in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipmiller803 Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 With a bad trans and that milkshake, this makes an ideal l67 swap candidate. Imp558 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55trucker Posted August 30, 2017 Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 A 92 with a 3.1 (LHO) engine you'll have the 440T4(4T60) trans which was the predecessor to the 4T60E, if you're going to attempt to do this yourself see these links. the *master* kit doesn't include the *hard* material, http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_4T60_transmission_master_kit_p/370-000037003.htm you'll need the additional items to replace the damaged internals http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_4T60_transmission_solenoids_s/6401.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_4T60_Transmission_thrust_washers_bearings_s/6387.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_4T60E_Vacuum_Modulator_s/6397.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_transmission_parts_s/6392.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_transmission_bands_s/6386.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/440T4_transmission_filter_s/6385.htm http://www.transmissionpartsusa.com/Transmission_Repair_Manuals_s/6395.htm obviously you've got to have a manual to guide you..........there will be need to remove & replace any worn bearing (some of them will be needle bearings), assembling the clutch piston, a guide for selecting the proper thrust washers for the input shaft end play, Try to get an proper manual for the trans, the more exploded views you see will help the process. good luck with this 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2017 I would love to do a l67 swap but it's just not in the cards right now. I'm not sure if the milkshake may be from the intake gaskets, there's no coolant in the oil so maybe not all is lost with the 3.1 I got. I'm going to pressure wash it and pull the intake and see what is going on, I wanted to regasket it while it was out anyway and clean it up some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Been making good progress got the engine and trans separated and the transmission out on a dolly. Plan on pulling the upper intake maybe tomorrow and see how the gaskets look. If all goes well maybe I'll paint the plenum and valve covers to dress them up a tad Imp558 and 90sEraWhips 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiggity76 Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Cool pics, want to do that to my Cutlass someday. Make it look factory fresh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Cool pics, want to do that to my Cutlass someday. Make it look factory fresh! There's nothing like a clean engine, this thing has been covered in grease from where it's never been cleaned although that may be a good thing knowing it hasn't really been boogered with by previous owners/shops. I think I'm going to do the plenum and valve covers red and polish the aluminum fins . I think it would go good with the white. Something similar to the stock fiero 2.8 look 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCTyphoonKid Posted September 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 I picked up a parts car 4 door 93 euro this morning and plan on pulling it apart and swapping its goods to mine. Picked it up super cheap since the body was a little rough but not bad. Maybe I'll have a running and driving car soon 90sEraWhips and Imp558 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TpottsThe1 Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 Update on this? I didn't think that made shift kits or stronger internal parts for the 4t60-e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurkey Posted September 13, 2017 Report Share Posted September 13, 2017 http://www.transgo.com/products.php?cat=4T60E&homeinclude=catalog&category_id=105&parent_id=105 Shift kit and accumulator parts. I've come to appreciate Transgo shift kits vs. B&M or other "famous names". There's a bunch of different wiring changes on the 4T60E, at the big round connector. For example, I can't swap a 92 Euro 3.4 trans into a '93 Euro 3.4 car. I have a Kent-Moore "special tool" that can shift the transmission into all the different gears, but there's a bunch of different wiring adapters depending on what application the trans is configured for. I don't have many of the wiring adapters. 90sEraWhips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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