what cars had PM3

[meltboy1]

Besides the TGP?

[Nas Escobar]

Basically AFAIK, only the Lumina didn't get the PM3 system as an option.

[mfewtrail]

Regal, Cutlass, and Grand Prix. They're rare in those too I'm pretty sure. Maybe Matt(?) or someone else that has had a non-TGP with pm3 has a copy of their compnine info showing how many there were for that particular year/model.

[GOT2B GM]

Any 88-91 W with ABS. Except Lumina's, they didnt get ABS until 92

[movielover40]

Toronado ABS systems were PM3.

 

Far too many.

 

6000 STE I believe had it also.

[Galaxie500XL]

IIRC, the Buick LeSabre those years also used the PM3.

[meltboy1]

Thanks all. That gives me some more hope,

 

Any 88-91 W with ABS. Except Lumina's, they didnt get ABS until 92

That's what I thought

 

Toronado ABS systems were PM3.

 

Far too many.

 

6000 STE I believe had it also.

 

I was unaware of those

IIRC, the Buick LeSabre those years also used the PM3.

Nice

[White93z34]

Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup.

 

The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different.

[mfewtrail]

Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup.

 

The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different.

 

Lotus Esprits had it all the way to the mid 90's I believe. I didn't bother naming them above because I doubt anyone runs up on one of them in a junkyard any time soon.

[meltboy1]

yea, not too many lotus' around here

I just found one coming out of Ohio with a 6 month warranty, wish me luck

[Heartbeat1991]

Toronado ABS systems were PM3.

 

Far too many.

 

6000 STE I believe had it also.

 

These weren't PMIII.  They are a Teeves unit.  Similar, but not the same.  

 

Update us when you get it, Jim.

[jman093]

The relay on my black TGP came from an Espirit. The Lotus part number is A082M6493S. There is no car more fitting for a PM3 that those things. They're cool, but utter pieces of garbage when it comes to reliability and difficult to repair. The whole car is essentially a giant damn PM3 on wheels.

 

 

 

Not exactly. It was 89-91 W cars (minus Lumina) and Oddly enough the Lotus Esprit got basically the same setup.

 

The 6000s and other odd cars for a variation of Teeves2 which was similar yet different.

 

 

These weren't PMIII.  They are a Teeves unit.  Similar, but not the same.  

 

Update us when you get it, Jim.

 

I don't think I have ever had a failed to fix a Teves unit to fix over the years. Granted I've only seen a couple so maybe they are just as bad, but still, they worked at the time I saw them, unlike every single Delco PM1, PM3, and Chrysler Bendix system I've seen. 100% fail rates on those. Chrysler/Bendix recalled their units. You can get it overhauled to this day for free at a dealer. GM just said, "Screw em, they don't need no damn brakes" when it comes to Powermasters. Instead of recalling them, they discontinued the parts for customers to fix them.

[Padgett]

Pontiac-Buick-Cadillac 1986-1990 used the electro-hydraulic Teeves ABS. Starting in 91 they used a different ABS system with a conventional vacuum booster. I had a PowerMaster in my Vixen, it was just an electrohydraulic brake with no ABS &needed for diesels and also was used with turbo engines  (Grand Nationals) that typically had very low vacuum. Olds added a belt driven vacuum pump which was handy for pulling down an AC.

 

In the early 80s GM expected to be over 50% diesel by 1990. We all know how that worked out. Today there is a brief resurgence of diesel but doubt that it will last long, a DI/turbo gas engine has much the same performance but is considerably cheaper to build.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Padgett