Elias1552 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 I was wondering if it would be possible to use the headers from a 3.8 in a 3.1 sense the two engines aren't the different. Maybe some port matching would be required, but what about the bolt pattern. Has anyone tried this before? Quote
RobertISaar Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 a 3.8 and 3.1 have nothing in common other than cylinder count and bellhousing pattern. Quote
Heartbeat1991 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 They are that different. Almost nothing in common. Quote
Schurkey Posted June 8, 2015 Report Posted June 8, 2015 3.8 = Buick design, engine family first used early '60s. 3.1 = Chevy design, engine family first used in model year '80. Both engine families have had significant revisions, the Buick more than the Chevy. If they share anything, it'd be more by coincidence than intent. Quote
cutlassdude96 Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 dont forget 3.8 = 90* & 3.1 = 60* engine Quote
Schurkey Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 ...and then we have to remember the difference between the GMC-designed 60 degree V-6 and the Chevy-designed 60-degree V-6. Not all that hard, as one of the GMC V-6s could be melted down to make about a dozen of the Chevies. http://6066gmcguy.com/gmcv6a.html Quote
Nas Escobar Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 The only thing you can use from a 3.8 on the 3.1 is the ignition coil packs. Everything else is way too different. Also, the 3800 is a Buick design, the 3.1/3100 is a Chevy design. The 3800 is based off of a V8 Buick and has had a lot of revisions whereas the 3.1 is a bored out 2.8, which in itself was a clean design for the 1980 Chevrolet Citation and its platform mates, the Olds Omega, the Buick Skylark and Pontiac Phoenix. It was supposed to be a V6 for the smaller cars. The 3800 ended up being used where GM would normally use a V8. Quote
l67ss Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 The only thing you can use from a 3.8 on the 3.1 is the ignition coil packs. Everything else is way too different. Also, the 3800 is a Buick design, the 3.1/3100 is a Chevy design. The 3800 is based off of a V8 Buick and has had a lot of revisions whereas the 3.1 is a bored out 2.8, which in itself was a clean design for the 1980 Chevrolet Citation and its platform mates, the Olds Omega, the Buick Skylark and Pontiac Phoenix. It was supposed to be a V6 for the smaller cars. The 3800 ended up being used where GM would normally use a V8. Actually the starter and oil filter also interchange... Quote
RobertISaar Posted June 9, 2015 Report Posted June 9, 2015 starter is..... unofficial, to say the least, but yes I guess they share the PF47/PF52 filter sizes. Quote
Nas Escobar Posted June 10, 2015 Report Posted June 10, 2015 Actually the starter and oil filter also interchange... Apparently so do the 5x120 Camaro rotors on the FWD 5x115 cars. It's really not saying much other than the fact that GM always finds a way to be cheap. Quote
Elias1552 Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Posted June 11, 2015 It's awesome how so many ppl know their stuff. Thanx. Quote
Nas Escobar Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 Yeah, but if you're serious about headers on your 3.1, you should contact Milzy Motorsports or WOT Tech. They specialize in that kind of stuff. Quote
rich_e777 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Posted June 12, 2015 IIRC there was something I remember reading about 60 degree engines and I think I read that you can use two front 3500 V6 manifolds and a custom crossover and downpipe and how that route was about the best way to go about the header issue. The issue being there isn't any headers that work on a W-body other than those pacesetters. I do recall there being a set for the 3.1 V6 in the J-body Cavalier, but that was awhile.ago. Milzymotorsports.com is awesome at getting back to you with feedback, you catch them on a good day and they through all kinds of suggestions your way. WOTtech.com is good as well but I haven't shopped there much just yet. Quote
l67ss Posted June 13, 2015 Report Posted June 13, 2015 Robert-trust me ive tested the starter interchange thing Quote
RobertISaar Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 i'm sure you have..... but there must be some reason they don't share a common part number. does one draw more current than the other? does one spin faster for a given load? does one operate with less noise? etc. Quote
l67ss Posted June 14, 2015 Report Posted June 14, 2015 i'm sure you have..... but there must be some reason they don't share a common part number. does one draw more current than the other? does one spin faster for a given load? does one operate with less noise? etc. Only dif ive seen is the size of the starter motor itself....3800 starter is about a half inch longer. Before i did the l67 swap i crosschecked pns at oreillys....turns out when you buy a new starter for a 3100 they give you one for a 3800. So i just used the lifetime garrantee starter from my old 3400 lol Quote
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