l67ss Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 <just going off hot rod mag put type f in my old 86 cutlass, brought back reverse No, not exactly. You have a few of the basic concepts correct. Ford and GM both used Type A trans fluid in the early automatics. Ford eventually changed friction material in the clutches from paper/resin to asbestos. The asbestos clutches had lower friction coefficient (slippery), and so they needed a "special" fluid with a different friction modifier package to allow the slippery clutches to "grab". GM continued to use the higher-friction clutch material, and therefore continued to use ever-newer versions of the basic "Type A" trans fluid. Ford, of course, found out that using asbestos was a dead-end road, and was forced to go back to the newer-version of Type A, what GM had trademarked as "Dexron". Of course, Ford didn't want to pay royalties to GM for use of the Dexron name, so the Dexron-equivalent in Ford Talk became "Mercon". To this day, you can buy fluid that has "Dex-Merc" on the label, signifying that it's a suitable replacement for Dexron III and whatever Mercon version is approximately equal to Dex III. At no point is there EVER friction MATERIAL in new fluid. Burnt friction material in the fluid is a sign of trans failure. Friction MODIFIERS, on the other hand are plentiful, and different among the various types and perhaps even brands of auto trans fluids. B&M used to advertise that Type F fluid didn't stand up to heat as well as the version of Dexron in use at that time (Probably Dex II); and it didn't lubricate as well as that version of Dexron. Type F has nothing going for it except that it can provide slightly quicker clutch engagement than Dexron based on it's different friction-modifier package. At any rate, it's not going to do a damned thing for a transmission that's LOST A GEAR--unless by adding some Type F, you accidentally fix an "under-filled" transmission. Losing a gear has nothing to do with the selection of fluid used when doing a filter-and-fill job, especially when the fluid selected is the very stuff the manufacturer recommends in the first place. Type F is not going to fix this. Don't piss me off, or I'll tell you about the Sperm Oil in Type A fluid. You don't want me to go there. It's a whale of a story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_e777 Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 <just going off hot rod mag put type f in my old 86 cutlass, brought back reverse Well there you go 1986 Oldmobile Cutlass (442)= Hotrod (One of my "Holy Grail" muscle cars by the way) 2000 Chevy Lumina = sporty little grocery getter at best Yes Ive seen a trans get burned out by a guy doing this very thing in a `91 Taurus after I told him not to and we ended up having to pull it out AGAIN to get a certified rebuilt one, and the best part is was that stuff is suppose to be for FORDs and on the test drive we actually had to go "Find On Road Dead" IF YOU ARE WORKING ON A VEHICLE AND YOUR ONLY SOLUTION IS TO START POURING SHIT INTO THE VARIOUS FLUIDS TO GET IT TO WORK OTHER THAN WHAT THE MANUFACTURER INTENDED TAKE IT TO AN ASE CERTIFIED MECHANIC FOR A PROPER DIAGNOSIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rich_e777 Posted October 23, 2013 Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 Don't piss me off, or I'll tell you about the Sperm Oil in Type A fluid. You don't want me to go there. It's a whale of a story. It doesn't have anything to do with that guy who was fucking his red Monte Carlo right? I really think you should go there, it would be an interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2000Lumina Posted October 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2013 well thanks for all the help guys, I think im just going to leave alone and deal without having OD, if it was a nicer car that I would be keeping long term I would probably get a rebuilt tranny. I had a Mustang I swapped engines and trannys and it wound up not having OD work so I have experience driving without OD lol, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l67ss Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Being that it has a 4t60e(3.1 luminas never got the 4t65e) if it goes out you can get one cheap since people are pretty much giving them away. I myself sold one with 45k miles for $30. well thanks for all the help guys, I think im just going to leave alone and deal without having OD, if it was a nicer car that I would be keeping long term I would probably get a rebuilt tranny. I had a Mustang I swapped engines and trannys and it wound up not having OD work so I have experience driving without OD lol, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Being that it has a 4t60e(3.1 luminas never got the 4t65e) if it goes out you can get one cheap since people are pretty much giving them away. I myself sold one with 45k miles for $30. 2000 and 2001 did, along with the large port 3100s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l67ss Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 The lumina i got my hood from must have been an early 2000 then. So that'd be a way to swap in a 4t65 into my monte with the current engine(3.4 la1) 2000 and 2001 did, along with the large port 3100s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l67ss Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Why did no one tell me when i asked about swapping to a 4t65? 2000 and 2001 did, along with the large port 3100s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 because 00 and 01 luminas were fairly uncommon to begin with and basically an afterthought since the impala replaced it? i don't know, i don't remember the thread, perhaps it wasn't an obvious answer or some restriction being suggested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l67ss Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 What? You guys arent computerized robots? jks aside theres about 4 or five 2000 luminas at the jy i go to (they deal with auctions a lot. So could i just repin the c100 and plug anf play with the pcm and harness from one? because 00 and 01 luminas were fairly uncommon to begin with and basically an afterthought since the impala replaced it? i don't know, i don't remember the thread, perhaps it wasn't an obvious answer or some restriction being suggested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 possibly? i feel the later 4T60Es are better than the early 4T65s anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l67ss Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 An l67 is in my cars near future im planning on using a 2002 4t65 plus i dont trust my 4t60 possibly? i feel the later 4T60Es are better than the early 4T65s anyways. A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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