base93lumina Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 So i was cruising thru Ebay and i stumbled upon this auction from a guy who is making intercoolers for the 3800 SC motors out of phenolic material. Has anyone had any dealings with these at all or any opinions? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Phenolic-Intercooler-Gen-3-Gen-5-L67-L32-Eaton-M90-SuperCharger-3800-3-8-Pontiac?item=120931313270&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D9395410849477226 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedbuick Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 I think its the same guy selling them on 3800pro.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedbuick Posted June 19, 2012 Report Share Posted June 19, 2012 Yep sure is. Here is the link to that forum. I don't know anything about them, just happen to see this there a little while ago http://www.3800pro.com/forum/sale/34886-phenolic-intercooler-gen-3-iii-gen-5-v-l67-l32-eaton-m90-stage-3-a.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShockTherapy Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 seems legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Maybe you can help me out a bit...I understand what an intercooler is, and what it does, but that device looks like a transmission cooler mounted between the intake and the supercharger.....how exactly is that supposed to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Found someone elses' setup, which explained a bit...but I'm not that convinced that such a small radiator, even with cool water being circulated, is going to cool a fair-sized volume of air by more than maybe 3-5 degrees... If reduction of detonation is the goal, I'd wonder if a water injection system wouldn't give you more reduction of detonation at a lower cost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topless94style2 Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Potentially, but more risk would be involved in terms of tuning I would think. There are a few stats out there that show the reduction in intake air temp by adding an intercooler. In any case, these Intercoolers do help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wickedbuick Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 An intercooler will drop it much further than 3-5 degrees...... The main difference from the traditional style to this is the mating materials. Aluminum vs Phenolic. Here is the link to the ZZP intercooler setup and what they do for you! http://shop.zzperformance.com/store/p/104-Intercooler.aspx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selcouth Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 I have heard of a few people using his. He sells them on GPF as well. Haven't heard any issues yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Reduction in intake temps is HUGE! for 3 reasons. 1 - phenolic material doesnt transfer heat, so the S/C doesnt get heatsoaked from the engine. 2 - it blocks the coolant passages to the S/C and TB. Dumb design by GM IMO. 3 - the water being circulated thru the plate cools the incoming air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base93lumina Posted June 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 But, if you look at his design, like the one guy said, it doesnt look that great. Hell, it looks like a universal heater core sandwiched between two pieces of phenolic. I would be worried about the amount of cooling ability, the integrity of the core, and its ability to stand up to the supercharger weight and torque long term wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topless94style2 Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Those were my thoughts when researching, I noticed they are cheaper if you buy direct from him through the forum vs using the ebay though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galaxie500XL Posted June 25, 2012 Report Share Posted June 25, 2012 Heck...why not just route the A/C evaporator under the supercharger? MUCH colder... You'd lose the A/C being used for the interior of the car, but if it's about all-out performance, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Maybe what you arent realizing is in a air/water/air intercooler system, the water is routed to a heat exchanger, or radiator if you will, which is mounted in front of the stock radiator. Over 100F temp reductions can be seen with a full size intercooler like this. I would prefer an air/air intercooler. Its thermally more efficient and much less maintenance, but less effective at low speeds. Edited June 26, 2012 by Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted June 26, 2012 Report Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) But, if you look at his design, like the one guy said, it doesnt look that great. Hell, it looks like a universal heater core sandwiched between two pieces of phenolic. I would be worried about the amount of cooling ability, the integrity of the core, and its ability to stand up to the supercharger weight and torque long term wise.I dont see enough detail to comment on the design. It is a small heat exchanger sandwiched between 2 pieces, thats how they are all designed. Phenolic is not soft. Edited March 23, 2014 by Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base93lumina Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Is it a supercharger spacer or the a TB spacer? The one you have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 (edited) ..... Edited March 23, 2014 by Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iTurbo Posted July 2, 2012 Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 Really thinking of doing this for the next mod on the Regal GS. A little hesitant because the price is pretty steep. Even if I get this phenolic unit from 'sseilmnop', I'm still looking at a little over $1k when you factor in the intercooler install kit and the modified fuel rails which would be required of course. I believe this phenolic unit was listed as being ~2" thick. Any idea if this would even fit under the hood of a '98 Regal GS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
base93lumina Posted July 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2012 The ZZP and Intense intercoolers are actually 2.25" thick and give you approximately 1/8" of inside hood clearance. This should give you closer to a 3/8-1/2" of clearance. I think i may just save up and get the short stack intercooler from ZZP. For the price, you get great gains from a tested and true company, plus the entire install kit. And all you need is injector spacers vs the whole custom fuel rail bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 i heard not good things in regards to using the injector spacers. Something about the angle of the injector is altered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiztid Posted July 3, 2012 Report Share Posted July 3, 2012 The ZZP and Intense intercoolers are actually 2.25" thick and give you approximately 1/8" of inside hood clearance. This should give you closer to a 3/8-1/2" of clearance. I think i may just save up and get the short stack intercooler from ZZP. For the price, you get great gains from a tested and true company, plus the entire install kit. And all you need is injector spacers vs the whole custom fuel rail bit. I would read up a bit before spending the money on the short stack. The concensus on those seems to be that they heat soak quickly and offer no real gains. You'd be better off saving longer and doing it right. Sent from my Galaxy using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkaab Posted July 5, 2012 Report Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Short stock intercooler is totally worth the money. And Ive never had any issues with injector spacers in the 3 years Ive been running them. People always talk crap about the SSIC but I think they are just expecting too much. Edited July 5, 2012 by bkaab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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