topless94style Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 It has become 50cents cheaper per gallon and i wouldnt mind saving that kind of money. Think it i safe to run in my car? i went to fill up last night with it but i decided agaisnt it as it says for FFV only. Flexible Fuel Vehicles only. this got me thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHCRagtopguy Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Running a lot of ethanol can be bad for the rubber components in your fuel system. Be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 I was told the ethanol is also bad for head gaskets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaroonRegal Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 If you have problems with heat, don't use it. Alchohol burns hotter than gasoline, so the more alchohol you put in the engine, the hotter you'll run. The 10% Ethanol's not going to hurt anything, especially on cars as new as ours. The E85, however, may or may not be usable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlassdude96 Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 this might help http://www.e85fuel.com/faqs/misfueling.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 E85 has more oxygen! Would that mean that you could get more power? Similar to NOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob95CS Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Is ethanol only a west-coast thing? I've never seen a station here in MI that offered it.... and our town has an ethanol producing plant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4spdz34 Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 don't use it. e85 needs a different a/f ratio then gasoline. ethanol needs more like 10:1 while gas needs 14.7:1. you put that in your car and your gunna have all kinds of trouble, the car will run lean and hot, u will burn headgaskets and o2 sensors. its not a good thing. u want a ffv buy a 4cyl s10, the newer ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaPooh Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 i have of yet seen ethenol at a gas station here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topless94style Posted October 24, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 they are mostly around the holiday stations and stuff around here. It just caught my eye because it was almost 50 cents cheapter than 87. I gues i wont be running it in my car then. E85 is advertised around here and there are only a hand full of stations that sell it but the ones that do the E85 is much cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutlassdude96 Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 this map will tell were the e85 stations are at http://www.e85fuel.com/refueling/index.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomFE3 Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 if its 50 cents cheaper i think it would be a good idea to get your chip modified to accept this type of gas, wouldnt you get better performance? not to mention its 50 cents cheaper than regular gas, thats alot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaPooh Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 chip wont do nothing it has to do with the internals of the engine 85% ethanol requires higher compression IIRC 12:1 or higher you can use with minimal to no damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam96SL Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Alcohol is a very slow-burning fuel compared to gasoline and has a fewer number of BTU's released during the burning process compared to an *equal* amount of gasoline. Whereas gasoline literally *explodes* in the combustion chamber....alcohol *burns*. Due to the burn characteristics of alcohol, lots of mechanics and tuners have used water injection methods in the past. But someone mentioned that the best solution if you want to use an ethanol-based fuel is to rebuild your engine for that purpose. I think everyone can see the value in that(different compression ratio/timing/ect/all those fun things). Just a few thoughts. Appreciate seeing what other folks think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam96SL Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Alcohol is a very slow-burning fuel compared to gasoline and has a fewer number of BTU's released during the burning process compared to an *equal* amount of gasoline. Whereas gasoline literally *explodes* in the combustion chamber....alcohol *burns*. Due to the burn characteristics of alcohol, lots of mechanics and tuners have used water injection methods in the past. But someone mentioned that the best solution if you want to use an ethanol-based fuel is to rebuild your engine for that purpose. I think everyone can see the value in that(different compression ratio/timing/ect/all those fun things). Just a few thoughts. Appreciate seeing what other folks think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomFE3 Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 uh-hem, gasoline burns as well my friend, its just a more violent burning, its very close to an explosion, wait, heres the definition for explosion: A release of mechanical, chemical, or nuclear energy in a sudden and often violent manner with the generation of high temperature and usually with the release of gases. nevermind, lol, yes gasoline explodes, but with going by that definition alcohol would be exploding as well, and if it didnt explode, the engines that run on alcohol would technically not behaving an high RPMs, by that definition alcohol would need to explode to run an engine as well, if you have a really low compression engine it would be worth it to run this kind of stuff, doesnt the TGP engine have lower compression? maybe find the crank/rods/pistons out of one of those, or whatever makes it have lower compression and use that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topless94style Posted October 25, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 I think what you guys are tryin for here is that alcohol burns longer. Gass burns faster ie explods. The higher octane fuels act like this, they burn longer creating a longer power stroke making more power. If i am wrong someone correct me but on this i dont think i am. Basically the higher octane burns hotter, longer creating more power. I dunno about alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPaPooh Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 no not lower compression it is higher compression that takes ethanol (ethyl/alcohol) it needs higher compression beacuse one mix has 96 octane another is 112.5 and another is 129 octane icould be wrong because my book only says that 10% ethanol is used in gasoline and had 3.4% less energy that pure gas and how the 10% ethanol can hold 12 teaspoons of water it says the higher the octane the higher the compression has to be and all the other things sam said timing and such higher octane=slower burning=higher compression 10:1 and up can run about 100 octane and up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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