19Cutlass94 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Hey guys, heres a quick question on headers... we all know that N/A cars want equal length primaries for headers. But as a guess ( since I doubt anyone has dyno'ed this ) how much power is to be lost between equal length primaries and non equal length? Either way I know they are better than manifolds.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 Actually IIRC turbo cars are the ones that want equal primaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 you only lose a few ponies on the top end. Find a sweet deal somewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurkey Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Depends on how "optimized" the "equal-length" headers are. If the headers are equal length, but WAY TOO LONG or WAY TOO SHORT, or WAY TOO LARGE DIAMETER, I'd rather have the non-equal length units if they're reasonably close to correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 Well all the headers are 1 5/8" primaries. But they would be about 15" in length, as compared to the non equal length headers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 I would go unequal honestly. Easier packaging, and from what I've gathered, not as peaky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oilpatch197 Posted September 6, 2011 Report Share Posted September 6, 2011 What brands are you considering? Hookers, Headman's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2011 So far Ive only found 2 places that make quality headers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 What car is this for even? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjOlds Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 If this is for an LQ1 motor, I have read that there is little improvement to be made by replacing the stock setup with anything aftermarket. I cannot say for sure if this is true or not, but unless you are absolutely set on equal length, from what I have seen on mine, the stock setup seems pretty good already. The best mod I have heard so far was to heat wrap them to reduce the under hood temps which I wish I would have thought of when I had the motor rebuilt this past spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 What car is this for even? For mine. Headers are already being made for LQ1 W-body cars. But the 3100/3400 W-body cars is different. Only two places I found are WOT-Tech and Milzy. Both are expensive, and you need to use Milzy's DP with the headers., which makes Milzy's almost twice the price.. S&S arent made anymore, even though they do pop-up on ebay and such from time to time... Pacestter are just absolute JUNK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted September 11, 2011 Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Can you weld? You could make some logs for pretty cheap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2011 Headers or bust... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Make your own. Save some cash, and have constant perma-grin everytime you look at them or someone says they are awsome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman093 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 For mine. Headers are already being made for LQ1 W-body cars. But the 3100/3400 W-body cars is different. Only two places I found are WOT-Tech and Milzy. Both are expensive, and you need to use Milzy's DP with the headers., which makes Milzy's almost twice the price.. S&S arent made anymore, even though they do pop-up on ebay and such from time to time... Pacestter are just absolute JUNK. WOT-TECH makes LQ1 headers?!?!?!?!?!?!??! The 4-figure milzy's are the only ones I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Milzy is the only one I know of that makes LQ1 headers. And at $999 I doubt very much he sells alot of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman093 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Milzy is the only one I know of that makes LQ1 headers. And at $999 I doubt very much he sells alot of em. Oh, I thought your post said both did. I would love headers, but 1k+ is a bit steep and when they came out a few years ago the design wasn't well received..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white4d96 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Honestly I don't see you making enough power NA to justify having headers. Not to mention the packaging nightmare you would have trying to put six pipes together where two normally go. Adam made a front log and ported his factory rear IIRC. If I was staying NA I would do that. If/When I pick up my project to take my TGP parts I will be making logs front and rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jman093 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Honestly I don't see you making enough power NA to justify having headers. Not to mention the packaging nightmare you would have trying to put six pipes together where two normally go. Adam made a front log and ported his factory rear IIRC. If I was staying NA I would do that. If/When I pick up my project to take my TGP parts I will be making logs front and rear. The milzy's fit in there ok and they're worth horsepower even on a stock LQ1. Hell I've heard even a better downpipe on stock manifolds is worth power because its all so restrictive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Hell, for $1000, you could damn near turbo a car if you have access to a welder and some time to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemis Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The milzy's fit in there ok and they're worth horsepower even on a stock LQ1. Hell I've heard even a better downpipe on stock manifolds is worth power because its all so restrictive. Actually, LQ1 DPs aren't really restrictive at all and they're already 2.5". Not sure how you would upgrade them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremerevolution Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Milzy is the only one I know of that makes LQ1 headers. And at $999 I doubt very much he sells alot of em. I very highly doubt that the power increased is worth that $1000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well what it's worth is always in the eyes of the beholder and also depends on how deep their pockets are. I've priced out what all I will need to make my own headers, and it comes out to be aboot $300-$400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hell, for $1000, you could damn near turbo a car if you have access to a welder and some time to kill. QFT. As much as I'd love a set of headers on the Z, I can't begin to justify a grand on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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