Brian P Posted January 15, 2010 Report Posted January 15, 2010 nice work so far, that was the fun part stripping it! Quote
Stevo Posted January 15, 2010 Report Posted January 15, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ Quote
Brian P Posted January 15, 2010 Report Posted January 15, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ they fix one gasket issue only to have another one creep up. If they just left well-enough alone we wouldn't be dealing with all this. The gen 1 3.8 and 2.8/3.1 MPFI had practically no gasket issues at all. Quote
Night Fury Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Posted January 15, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ And they still catch fire!!! And are the tops of the pistons supposed to be dirty like that? Quote
Night Fury Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Posted January 15, 2010 Update. Went to the dealer and had to really pry to get the right bolts... I pretty much owned the dude. Anyhoo. 16 head bolts, the two coolant crossover gaskets, AND a EVAP vent solenoid cost a total of $150.17. I'm satisfied, except I have to wait a week for the bolts. Anyone doing this make SURE you get the right bolts or you'll be doing the job over! Quote
Night Fury Posted January 15, 2010 Author Report Posted January 15, 2010 Headbolts were ~$4 each. Quote
GP1138 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ And they still catch fire!!! And are the tops of the pistons supposed to be dirty like that? IMO, your hypothesis about your mom not driving the car hard is correct. She keeps the RPM's down, cylinders pistons gain a buildup of gunk that would otherwise be burned out by a WOT run every so often. I tried to find pics of my 3100 in my '95 GP that we intake swapped. http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=26454.45 There are pics of the engine fun Chris D, Matt Rudefyet and I had that night. You can kind of see the pistons in the last pic, they weren't very gunky at all as I remember, and I gave that car hell. Quote
White93z34 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 that was one helluva weekend! can't believe that was 5 years ago now. Quote
BXX Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ they fix one gasket issue only to have another one creep up. If they just left well-enough alone we wouldn't be dealing with all this. The gen 1 3.8 and 2.8/3.1 MPFI had practically no gasket issues at all. Except both the Gen 1 3.8L and 2.8/3.1L DO have headgasket issues And these engines are really headgasket issues, but rather improper headbolts and nothing more. Quote
RobertISaar Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 if it's a GM motor: the gaskets suck. all gaskets are subject to failure at any time. at least that's the way i look at it. Quote
AL Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Even the all-mighty invincible 60* motors Quote
carkhz316 Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 Update. Went to the dealer and had to really pry to get the right bolts... I pretty much owned the dude. Anyhoo. 16 head bolts, the two coolant crossover gaskets, AND a EVAP vent solenoid cost a total of $150.17. I'm satisfied, except I have to wait a week for the bolts. Anyone doing this make SURE you get the right bolts or you'll be doing the job over! What? They won't sell you the right bolts cuz they're too embarrassed to admit there's a problem. What a bunch of A-holes. And how did you own him? This sounds funny. On a side note, what's going to be the real test if you mind me asking? Quote
Night Fury Posted January 16, 2010 Author Report Posted January 16, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ And they still catch fire!!! And are the tops of the pistons supposed to be dirty like that? IMO, your hypothesis about your mom not driving the car hard is correct. She keeps the RPM's down, cylinders pistons gain a buildup of gunk that would otherwise be burned out by a WOT run every so often. I tried to find pics of my 3100 in my '95 GP that we intake swapped. http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=26454.45 There are pics of the engine fun Chris D, Matt Rudefyet and I had that night. You can kind of see the pistons in the last pic, they weren't very gunky at all as I remember, and I gave that car hell. That's what I figured. She has literally never floored it. It has seen 3 WOT runs in its lifetime, all by me. And as for those funny pics of you trying to get the rear exhaust mani bolts off.... that was SO me... That was probably the longest part of the process! Even the all-mighty invincible 60* motors ROFL Update. Went to the dealer and had to really pry to get the right bolts... I pretty much owned the dude. Anyhoo. 16 head bolts, the two coolant crossover gaskets, AND a EVAP vent solenoid cost a total of $150.17. I'm satisfied, except I have to wait a week for the bolts. Anyone doing this make SURE you get the right bolts or you'll be doing the job over! What? They won't sell you the right bolts cuz they're too embarrassed to admit there's a problem. What a bunch of A-holes. And how did you own him? This sounds funny. On a side note, what's going to be the real test if you mind me asking? Just the fact that I had to walk him through the whole thing, he didn't know diddly. He was the same guy that tried to sell me 3 different types of bolts, 32 total. As for the 'real test', I was just referring to putting it all back together. I wish I had John and Chris here to help!! That looked like a blast! lol! Quote
BXX Posted January 16, 2010 Report Posted January 16, 2010 I wish I had John and Chris here to help!! That looked like a blast! lol! Ahem.... Quote
Brian P Posted January 17, 2010 Report Posted January 17, 2010 Unbelievable... a 2006 and still they can't build an engine without gasket issues. I've even heard that the last gen GP's have the exact same transmission issues as the 97-03's. =\ they fix one gasket issue only to have another one creep up. If they just left well-enough alone we wouldn't be dealing with all this. The gen 1 3.8 and 2.8/3.1 MPFI had practically no gasket issues at all. Except both the Gen 1 3.8L and 2.8/3.1L DO have headgasket issues And these engines are really headgasket issues' date=' but rather improper headbolts and nothing more. [/quote'] I'm not saying it never happened, but that was FAR from being as problematic as the LIM gaskets in the 3100/3400's and now this current issue in the 3500's. I've never heard of head gaskets failing on 2.8/3.1/3.8's at under 100k miles, which is not something I can say for the later motors. Quote
88red4cyl Posted January 25, 2010 Report Posted January 25, 2010 Ever get this project finished up Buck? Looks like you were making pretty good progress.. Quote
Night Fury Posted January 25, 2010 Author Report Posted January 25, 2010 I was waiting for the bolts. Progress resumes tomorrow. Quote
Night Fury Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Posted January 28, 2010 Mmm decent amount of progress today. Heads, lower intake, valve covers, coolant crossover, exhaust manifolds bolted back up, etc. Sssoooooooooooooooo If it isn't done tomorrow please feel free to kill me.... kthxbai Quote
Night Fury Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Posted January 28, 2010 Mmm decent amount of progress today. Heads, lower intake, valve covers, coolant crossover, exhaust manifolds bolted back up, etc. Sssoooooooooooooooo If it isn't done tomorrow please feel free to kill me.... kthxbai Quote
RobertISaar Posted January 28, 2010 Report Posted January 28, 2010 So delicious I posted it 4 times! damn! you tore it down and reassembled it 4 times in a day!?!? Quote
Night Fury Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Posted January 28, 2010 So delicious I posted it 4 times! damn! you tore it down and reassembled it 4 times in a day!?!? Hell yeah! Bought new gaskets and bolts every time, too! Quote
AL Posted January 28, 2010 Report Posted January 28, 2010 Buck, Please dont die, but if you do... Can I have your wheels? Quote
Night Fury Posted January 28, 2010 Author Report Posted January 28, 2010 If I die, I donate both of my cars to w-body.com, Luke can divide/give as he sees fit Quote
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