A_Rivers Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Hello all I just joined up after reading post on here for a while and have a question. I have a 1996 Olds Cuttlas Supreme SL Coupe and I want to swap the 4T60E for a 5-speed. Can this be done in my late model Cutlass or is this swap only for pre-95 cars. If I can do the swap what exaclty will I need down to the last bolt. Thank you, Aaron Rivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 search! you should find a helluva lot of info. just search for 'getrag' or '5-speed' and you should come up with some results. the swap is much much easier on pre-'94 cars tho..... joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redfox340 Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 the swap is much much easier on pre-'94 cars tho... Correct! A_Rivers, welcome aboard! Searching is good... you'll learn a ton! The major concerns of a 1994+ manual swap are the following: * firewall; no stamped bolt-up or holes for the clutch pedal / must cut out * ECM; since the auto tranny runs through the OBDII, you'll have to program you own. Some serious planning, fabrication, and knowledge is needed for something this in depth. If you're dying for a manual, it's more practical to find a 5-speed W-Body or buy different model car. That's what I did... :oops: And it works for me! - Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 * ECM; since the auto tranny runs through the OBDII, you'll have to program you own. Some serious planning, fabrication, and knowledge is needed for something this in depth. If you're dying for a manual, it's more practical to find a 5-speed W-Body or buy different model car. That's what I did... :oops: And it works for me! - Erik yes the best way to get a W-body 5-speed car is to get a pre-'94 car....otherwise mounting the clutch pedal is going to be a PITA. you should be able to run, say, a 1990 3.1 MPFI/5-speed engine wiring harness on your '96 3100 with little modification. it won't be SFI anymore, but you shouldn't lose any power IMO. but that is something i have not done, just read about on this forum (2nd hand info). has ANYONE here done a '94+ 5-speed swap? joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwoodguy79 Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Talk to Soccerplyrgtp. He did one on his 94. I'm about to do one in a month or so on my 95 SE 3.4 DOHC. Going to go with the 284 and hold out on DKOV's tranny. There is a LOT involved and it is NOT for the faint of heart. If your really hellbent on doing it, get a 3.4 DOHC with the 284. You'll be the most happy I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 i didn't think the auto-to-manual swap was hard at all. very straightforward. i had never even changed a transaxle or clutch before and i did the job just fine (with MUCH help from forum memebers). it's either DOHC/5-speed or Turbo 3.1/5-speed....your choice. the power curves are practically the opposite of one another altho it would be a good race.....i still think the turbo 3.1/5-speed has more potential (mods) despite the LQ1 having more HP stock (215HP) than the LG5's 205HP. honestly tho i would swap in a 3400 and turbocharge that, and use a Getrag 282 with it & MPFI electonics + a modified TGP chip. lots of custom work tho so it may be easier to do the TGP (LG5) engine swap. the 3.1 turbo with minimal mods will outrun a 3.4 DOHC because the 3.4 is very difficult to modify and get serious power increased out of it. and the 284's have issues despite being marginally stronger. joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleetwoodguy79 Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I disagree. I've done a complete performance rebuild to the DOHC and I would put it on the line with ANY modded TGP anyday. Yes its very hard to get hp out of it with just bolt ons, but if you put some time and energy into it, it can and will be the sleeper. Parts are MUCH cheaper too compared to a 3.1 Turbo. What year vechicle did you do the 5 speed swap on!? I'm very intrested, I've never done a tranny swap of this size. And yes I TOTALLY agree with you on turbocharging a 3400, I smell a winter project coming :-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I disagree. I've done a complete performance rebuild to the DOHC and I would put it on the line with ANY modded TGP anyday. Yes its very hard to get hp out of it with just bolt ons, but if you put some time and energy into it, it can and will be the sleeper. Parts are MUCH cheaper too compared to a 3.1 Turbo. What year vechicle did you do the 5 speed swap on!? I'm very intrested, I've never done a tranny swap of this size. And yes I TOTALLY agree with you on turbocharging a 3400, I smell a winter project coming :-). i just say that because 1: the fastest W-body is a TGP on the forum as far as i know (not including Series II S/C 3800's).... i think Dave Zug's ran a high 13. and 2: who here has the fastest DOHC W-body? Aaron? mid/high 14's aren't quite enough to keep up with that. custom turbo's are a different story; i've ridden in Tim's '95 DOHC Turbo Monte and that thing hauls some serious ass. no doubt the fastest car i've ever ridden in, 2nd being the one i drive now still, there are custom turbo's and upgrades for a TGP T25 or even a different crossover with a T3 turbo.....that's what i mean in saying the turbo 3.1 has more potential. unless you go thru alot of work and turbocharge a 3.4 DOHC....that's different. the TGP engine is just a bolt in really. you can use all factory parts and avoid any custom work....so it's a simpler swap for most people. joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 What year vechicle did you do the 5 speed swap on!? I'm very intrested, I've never done a tranny swap of this size. And yes I TOTALLY agree with you on turbocharging a 3400, I smell a winter project coming :-). i originally swapped in a Getrag 282 from a '90 Grand Prix, which only lasted a year and blew up. i am kinda pissed about the deal cuz i bought it from a forum member as a rebuilt 3.1/282 combo; the 3.1 had a new Crane cam, timing chain, and the Getrag was supposedy rebuilt recently & came with a new clutch. i got 500 miles out of the engine and had to swap my original 3.1 back in because of a serious rod knock. i found out later the seller re-used the 160,xxx mile rod & main bearings then the 5-speed takes a crap a year after i installed it, and i wasn't abusing it or anything...it just started grinding like crazy while i was driving in 2nd and it went downhll from there. Reverse still works tho, so at least i can back into my garage lol. spending $900 isn't very cool when the motor lasts 1 month, and the tranny just 1 year. i just now bought a Getrag 282 from an '88 Grand Prix, and am in the middle of swapping that in right now. it's the same exact transaxle as the '90. i would stick with W-body 2.8/3.1 V6 5-speeds, which would come with the Getrag 282 and is much more reliable IMO than a 4T60. you could swap in a Getrag 284, but if anything went wrong with it you'd have to send it to Muncie, IN just to get a replacement trans....which i'm sure is pretty expensive. the Getrag 282 on the other hand has replacement parts available and can be rebuilt by any good trannsmission shop. or get a Getrag 282 from a H.O Quad-4 N-body or Achieva SVX, swap the bellhousing out for the V6 version, and have better gearing than a W-body Getrag 282 (not as steep). just don't get the Isuzu 282 that came with the normal non H.O Quad-4's (weak). joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted September 11, 2003 Report Share Posted September 11, 2003 I've seen a Beretta with a 3400 5speed in it. They used the 3.1 harness and computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccrplayrgtp Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I've done it and have 4K miles on her already. MALIBU- the 94-97 GP, CS swaps are A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH than a regular old 88-93 era swap. There are a LOT more steps to consider. EMAIL ME IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SWAP.... http://www.cardomain.com/id/soccrplayrgtp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted September 12, 2003 Report Share Posted September 12, 2003 I've done it and have 4K miles on her already. MALIBU- the 94-97 GP, CS swaps are A LITTLE MORE IN DEPTH than a regular old 88-93 era swap. There are a LOT more steps to consider. EMAIL ME IF YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS SWAP.... http://www.cardomain.com/id/soccrplayrgtp oh yeah, i know! (see my previous posts). i'm not going with a Getrag 284 anyway, since i already have another 282. thankfully i have a '91 car!!! that's cool you've done the '94+ 5-speed swap! alot of people may have questions for you later down the road joshua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89oldscutlass Posted September 13, 2003 Report Share Posted September 13, 2003 Any of you guys have pics of you doing the tranny swap on your cars and did you drop your cradle to do the swap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccrplayrgtp Posted September 17, 2003 Report Share Posted September 17, 2003 http://www.cardomain.com/id/soccrplayrgtp theres mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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