AWeb80 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I have brand new hangers on my GP....but the part that had the P# on it I had to cut off and modify. I wish I knew what it was. Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I've observed three sizes of rear sway bar on gen 1.5s the 7/8ths is the largest, and is known only to be on 1995 gen 1.5 3.4 cars (mc and lumina) there is a medium bar which i think was 3/4ths... and a smaller bar which I think was 5/8ths.... I'd have to double check to be sure... Quote
xtremerevolution Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I've observed three sizes of rear sway bar on gen 1.5s the 7/8ths is the largest, and is known only to be on 1995 gen 1.5 3.4 cars (mc and lumina) there is a medium bar which i think was 3/4ths... and a smaller bar which I think was 5/8ths.... I'd have to double check to be sure... Is that 7/8" bar any different from the 22mm or 7/8" ADDCO bar I bought for my regal? Quote
AWeb80 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 not really....it's a stock bar, so theoretically it will fit fine.....not sure on a lowered car though. the 474 bar from ADDCO that was redesigned works great w/ my lowered car. Quote
xtremerevolution Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 not really....it's a stock bar, so theoretically it will fit fine.....not sure on a lowered car though. the 474 bar from ADDCO that was redesigned works great w/ my lowered car. I'm sure that's the same one I'm using. Black powder coated, right? I'm curious to know if the 7/8" monte bar would work on a lowered car... Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 different? it is a different design. the factory bar has a collared stops (so do all other gen 1 and 1.5 rear swaybars) that contacts the outer bushings at the strut, preventing side to side travel. supposedly the addco bar lacks such stops and can shift side to side making contact with the struts and making noise. Quote
AWeb80 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 mine is the revised bar, but it's yellow zinc coated. Not sure when they started powdercoating them.... Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 not really....it's a stock bar, so theoretically it will fit fine.....not sure on a lowered car though. the 474 bar from ADDCO that was redesigned works great w/ my lowered car. I'm sure that's the same one I'm using. Black powder coated, right? I'm curious to know if the 7/8" monte bar would work on a lowered car... I think it would only work if you also used the longer lateral links from a gen 2 car. I am using the lightest gen 1.5 rear swaybar on one of my cars, and there is a "track width" difference between the bars. the gen 1.5 bar is 1-2 inches wider than the gen 1 bar, and had to be held under tension to install on my gen 1 car with the OEM control arms. Any thicker bar would not have worked without the longer arm upgrade. Quote
xtremerevolution Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 different? it is a different design. the factory bar has a collared stops (so do all other gen 1 and 1.5 rear swaybars) that contacts the outer bushings at the strut, preventing side to side travel. supposedly the addco bar lacks such stops and can shift side to side making contact with the struts and making noise. My addco bar, before the powdercoating came off and it started rusting. I'll be taking it off to sand it down and repaint it when I replace the rear leaf. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b37/SirMaverick00/95%20Buick%20Regal/IMG_3131.jpg?t=1245862685 Anyone have a picture of the monte bar? I'm really curious as to the differences. Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 the thickest car is a gen 1.5 7/8ths bar the other two are the basic gen 1 bar, and the 3.4 dohc gen 1 bar. and installation: Quote
xtremerevolution Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 Hmm, I'll bet my fiance's sister's 96 regal sedan would benefit from one of those bars, since it doesn't have one at all. Just trying to figure out how it would work out. I imagine the 7/8" monte bar is not easy to find if it only came off of one year. Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 Hmm, I'll bet my fiance's sister's 96 regal sedan would benefit from one of those bars, since it doesn't have one at all. Just trying to figure out how it would work out. I imagine the 7/8" monte bar is not easy to find if it only came off of one year. agreed. I think it would be overkill for most people though, and it is too stiff to clear the struts without widening the rear track with gen 2 lateral links. ALSO.... FYI: the hanger is the same between all the bars, just the bushings size changes. Quote
GP4U2NV Posted June 24, 2009 Author Report Posted June 24, 2009 I know......I would like to have new brackets. ))) I WORK AT A DEALERSHIP ((( Are we saying that the the monte bar wont fit all 1st gens? or for the regals? Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I know......I would like to have new brackets. ))) I WORK AT A DEALERSHIP ((( Are we saying that the the monte bar wont fit all 1st gens? or for the regals? IMO, it will not fit unless you widen the rear track width with slightly longer bars. Quote
AWeb80 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 I think ken is on the right track. it makes sense if you play the numbers Quote
GP4U2NV Posted June 24, 2009 Author Report Posted June 24, 2009 Wait....... a Monte Carlo 7/8th bar will not fit into a 1st gen grand prix? Quote
xtremerevolution Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 wait, so this wouldn't fit a 96 regal? was there that big of a difference from the gen 1.5 95 monte? doesn't really matter all that much since I probably won't find one, but still. i'll probably try to find one of the smaller ones. Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 It will fit, if the car's rear track is widened by about 1 inch... see my pics! otherwise.. IMO if you have to tools/ability to reduce the track width of the bar by about 1 inch, this may work too Quote
AWeb80 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 Yes, gen 1.5 and 2 lat links are a half inch longer per side. or, and inch total track width. Quote
White93z34 Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 REAL dumb probably a noob question buy how does it affect the track width? and how is it accomplished I would think the trailing arm would hold it back so the wheels would either look like this / \ or this \ / ??? also is it possible to use a leafspring with the 1.5/gen2 lateral links? Quote
Crazy K Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 the trailing arms have some flex, so beint offset by an inch is probably not enough to matter. Quote
GP4U2NV Posted June 24, 2009 Author Report Posted June 24, 2009 idk, if anyone has done the longer lateral rods with the stock monoleaf. I think it might be a problem....... Quote
BXX Posted June 24, 2009 Report Posted June 24, 2009 Holy crap Ken, I didnt kno you took pics of my car when we I was redoing my rear suspension.. And with my Gen 2 lateral links, the sway bar fits with ZERO issues, I have no rubbing or anything like that... Even when I had the rear end lowered a good amount, I had no hitting or rubbing with the 7/8"(22mm) Gen 1.5 bar.. Quote
GP4U2NV Posted June 25, 2009 Author Report Posted June 25, 2009 I am having troubles getting the 7/8 bar into the GP......... Like a inch toooo long. Quote
Crazy K Posted June 25, 2009 Report Posted June 25, 2009 I am having troubles getting the 7/8 bar into the GP......... Like a inch toooo long. when i stuck my lighter duty gen 1.5 bar into my car, I had to compress it slightly, I used a quality ratchet strap to reduce it's width, then installed the bushings. it pushes out on the bushings, but that poses no problems... as I got some modified brackets made that "cage" the bushing preventing it from moving out. Quote
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