Garrett Powered Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 my luck has gone sour lately. went to change the VSS speed sensor after hearing a bang and the speedometer stopped working. and when I got the driver side wheel off and reached up to unplug the harness and the sensor was kind of loose already. went to take a look up through the engine bay. well, looks like the aluminum case has a jagged hole busted out of it on the side of that sensor. now that explains why the sensor is not working, but not why there is a hole there or how I am going to fix it. you can see from this picture, its right under the brake booster. I will get more pics and better diagrams later but I can't believe this. what now? do I have to get another 282 case? whole new trans? I took a pic of the diagram the dealership printed off for me and there is an arrow drawn to the hole where the sensor mounts to the top of the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Uh... does the car still drive after this "bang" happened? That kind of damage is typical of a differential exploding... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ya...I've never seen this before. You could change cases but that could prove harder than just swapping a new trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 yea it still drives. I wasn't even being real hard on it when it happened. I was in first gear in a parking lot going straight forward for the most part. the clutch is kind of violent though. sometimes it will shudder and shake when in 1st gear and sometimes a little in 2nd. when this happens it shakes the whole dash up and down. but Ken told me that is just how that clutch is. I say that can't be good for the car and will probably break something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Damn! something contacted it, I'd say that case is f@#*ed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyfloyd Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 yeah, I would say the case is f-ed up good. I'd get it replaced. If you drive when it's wet out, that'll just allow water into the trans. Could probably save the internals if you replace it soon, but the longer you go with it open like that, the more that gets inside and into the internals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuntzie Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 put a piece of sheet metal+ jb weld on it to cover it up..also drain the fluid and use a magnet to remove any debris that may have fallen it, this will last for a while forsure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 The 282 in my Z24's check/fill plug was dry and cracked and fell out 2 winters ago for a week or two. I stopped driving it as soon as I found out. I don't know how long it was out, but this was in the dead of a month long -25 F stretch, so I don't think anything got in it. It took awhile, but the local dealership tracked down a new one for me. We couldn't find it because it's not called a check or fill plug, or dipstick, it was some totally off name that didn't make sense, leave it to GM. I drained the fluid and refilled it, trans is still fine. I halfway expected the thing to grenade, but it's been two years and it's not in any worse shape than it was before. I would try and cover the hole somehow like stated above, but trying to find a W 282 is going to be hard, and if you find one you might as well swap the entire trans and keep this one around for a spare in case the internals are bad in the other you could swap them over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 There was one in washington. a cutlass with a v-6 that someone was parting out. but I called on it and they crushed the car 2 days ago. alright I will try and jb weld a piece of metal on there. hopefully the new vss goes back in fine. whats the best way to gain access to that area? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted June 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 I am starting to wonder if something bad happened before I even got the car. I dont think this type of damage could be a result of a sensor breaking and falling in the trans. looks like theres a crack from the top hole down half way to the bottom one. I know this means it's time to start looking for another 282. but I will admit I never was too into 5 speeds before, but decided it was time for something different and thats why I got this car. I heard you can take them out easier from the bottom. what do I do? I need to know what other cars to look for. I know cutlass 88-90 and GP 88-90. what else? I found an ad for a cheap donor car with high mileage but the number is disconected or the guys cell ran out of minutes, so I left an email and waiting for a response. If all I can find is a 284, will I just be able to swap over the trans or is there other differences too? I am going to keep the car so I need to find a way to fix it. If anyone has a shell off one they can take apart, I would be interested. or sell me a whole one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Damn that's horrible. I believe if you get a 284, you will need at least a 284 clutch, master and slave cylinder for the clutch, not sure about the flywheel. Otherwise it should bolt up I believe, not sure about axles either, I believe they are also different, but not sure on that one, may be the same. Also take note that a cheap 284 clutch is as much as an expensive 282 clutch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo v-sick Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 Here you go Rick. Just swap bell housings and you will be good to go... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NEW-MUNCIE-282-FIERO-CAVALIER-BERETTA-QUAD-4-2-4L_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp3286Q2em20Q2el1116QQhashZitem4396413a02QQitemZ290283665922QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 J body 282s have different mounts, so that won't work, too bad that's an awesome price, free shipping too J body 282's are way more common also, so it sucks they won't work in a W, I was going to buy another Z24 with a blown motor just for the trans because I didn't know this, would have went into the 96 Cutlass I had otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 What the hell.... that sucks to beyond belief, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo v-sick Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 It would be worth a try to contact the seller and see what he says. He might have something that would work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 That guy just has a ton of U-Van export Getrags, he doesn't have any W Getrag parts. Unfortunately the bellhousing on our tranny is W specific. I don't know if another V6 bellhousing exists with the external slave/internal arm setup that we have, and if it does it's not likely to be tapped for the intermediate shaft. Read kuntzie's quick writeup on taking it out through the wheel well. It can happen, but the driver's side subframe bolts will have to come out entirely, and the other two loosened significantly. Make sure you disconnect the steering rack from the subframe on the driver's side and loosen the passenger side. It can be a bitch with a lot of small things to get caught up on, but it can happen. Removing the intermediate shaft may make it easier. I never want to do it again, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted June 22, 2009 Report Share Posted June 22, 2009 ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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