cperna15 Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 Hey i found a supercharger kit for a 3400, but would i be able to put this in my 1995 grand prix 3100? please let me know http://www.pfyc.com/pc/GA3017/GAUNDER/RSM+Supercharger+Kit.html Quote
Crazy K Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 it will fit... but..... then you need to do about $100,000 more work so you can even make the car move. you would have to convert to OBDII, which requires the PCM from a 97 3100 car, athe engine wiring harness from a 96 3100, and you should do a top end swap to have the larger intakes, plus larger exhaust manifolds and a complete better flowing exhaust system, plus getting the tranny built to performance specs to take the power (and I would add an auxiliary transmission cooler...) and then....... getting a $500 program that you can tune the car with.... not to mention other performance mods to make the car stronger like valve springs and roller rockers... Quote
cperna15 Posted April 22, 2009 Author Report Posted April 22, 2009 fuck that then lol do they make a kit for the 3100? Quote
RobertISaar Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 that wouldn't be any different. for most purposes: if it works on a 3400, it should on a 3100, that being said 3500 heads dont work on a 3100. Quote
Crazy K Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 fuck that then lol do they make a kit for the 3100? this kit will fit. but to make it run once on.... is what I am talking about. You have a 1995 gp. IT HAS AN UNHACKABLE UNPROGRAMABLE PCM. (only the dealership can do it, no one has successfully done it on their own) Without the programming, the PCM will not be capable of operating the car because it is not programmed to operate while seeing boost. to correct that, you need to upgrade the vehicle to be able to be re-programed, since the current PCM cannot be re-programmed. the Programmable PCM comes from a 97 model year car, and you must upgrade the wiring to accommodate that PCM upgrade. Plus then you must tune it. You also need to upgrade the engine to the best flowing components to maximize the use of the super-charger (which you would be better off doing anyhow, and not getting a supercharger) once you have done that... you will likely BLOW up your transmission the first time you go WOT, unless you get it re-built to race-specs. simple enough? there is no easy solution. Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 nor does anyone seem interested in tuning our cars... OBD 2 swap, the parts can come off a 96+ w-body Jamie Quote
Night Fury Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 What would happen the first time it boosted without re-programming? Quote
Crazy K Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 What would happen the first time it boosted without re-programming? it would probably stall at any point above idle. the fuel mixture would be all off. Quote
3.1cutlass Posted April 22, 2009 Report Posted April 22, 2009 nor does anyone seem interested in tuning our cars... OBD 2 swap, the parts can come off a 96+ w-body Jamie A 96 has a 256 computer and the 97 is 512 so the 97 would be ideal. Quote
GP4U2NV Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 For that type of money do a motor swap Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 nor does anyone seem interested in tuning our cars... OBD 2 swap, the parts can come off a 96+ w-body Jamie A 96 has a 256 computer and the 97 is 512 so the 97 would be ideal. Whats the difference between the two? I didn't even know there was a difference. Does this apply to LQ1 cars as well? Jamie Quote
RobertISaar Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 nor does anyone seem interested in tuning our cars... OBD 2 swap, the parts can come off a 96+ w-body Jamie A 96 has a 256 computer and the 97 is 512 so the 97 would be ideal. Whats the difference between the two? I didn't even know there was a difference. Does this apply to LQ1 cars as well? Jamie the way it was explained to me: GM didn't know what the hell they were doing when it came to obd2, so the 96 model year vehicles all got a half-assed computer. Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 LoL GM and half assed? I thought that was a given I was hoping for something a little more specific, lol Jamie Quote
Crazy K Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 the writeable memory in the 96 is only 256KB the writeable memory in the 97 is 512KB for whatever reason, the good tuning programs need the 512KB memory... they must use all of it? Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 Ohhh ok, that makes more sense... granted I know squat about the programs, but I can understand that. Jamie Quote
RobertISaar Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 no shit 512MB? wow, i thought it was KB you were talking about. no wonder it takes a while to flash a obd2 computer... Quote
oldscsc Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 I find it pretty amazing that the computer that runs your car only has 512 MB of memory, while iPod's are out there with 160 GB hard drives. Technology is defenitely amazing, I can hardly keep up with all the advances! Quote
Crazy K Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 wait... I meant Kilobytes. I think.... Quote
RobertISaar Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 i would hope... the bins running my wifes GP and soon enough, when the final plug gets here, my MC are only 32K in size... to go from needing 32K to 512MB in only 4 years... i think microsoft caused it. Quote
3.1cutlass Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 wait... I meant Kilobytes. I think.... I am not sure either. Ask Bob he is big into tuning. Quote
jeremy Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 For that type of money do a motor swap QFT Quote
cperna15 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Posted April 23, 2009 so i can get all the stuff to do an obd2 swap at this one junkyard in june cause there having a sale..(35$ to get in and all the parts are a dollar)...including motors http://www.wegotused.com/specials.htm they have over 10,000 cars there...its a god like place lol Quote
cperna15 Posted April 23, 2009 Author Report Posted April 23, 2009 but will a tune really do much without a supercharger? Quote
89GP_SE Posted April 23, 2009 Report Posted April 23, 2009 my question is why would he need obd II? They are listing it to work with Fieros. Im just not understanding why OBD II would have to be used. Quote
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