Getting Ready to Order Energy Suspension Polys for everything.

[GP4U2NV]

I have been looking for hours and can not find the item numbers I need.

 

Just for those who want to know I am doing a complete rear suspension upgrade. I have had some advice from GPChris. This is the list that I am putting in but I need some more part numbers.

 

2 - KYB GR2s PN 236003

2 - ES Spring Isolators PN 9.6103R

2 - Coilover Sleeves PN COK12452-H

2 - Coilover Adjuster Nuts PN COK12460

2 - 2.5" 12" Coilover Springs - Progressive rate.

2 - Strut Mounts Stock with Bumper

2 - 2nd gen spindle rods

2 - 2nd gen lateral links

1 - monte sway bar

2- GMPP Trailing arm

 

On to the part numbers i need the ES part number for the items that I have put arrows to.

 

This includes:

(8) bushings for the Lateral and spindle rod

(2) sway bar mounts for monte to strut

(2) lower sway bar link

(2) upper sway bar link

 

Thanks Ill post pictures when I am done. I will be having some of the items powder coated hense why i need the replacement bushings.

 

 

[CSI_MuNkY]

Those in the picture are Held Lateral links... I dunno if the bushing would be the same between them and a 2nd gen lateral link.

 

What progressive rate springs are you going with?

 

What are you doing for an upper spring mount?

 

Jamie

[BXX]

Except the advice you got from Chris came from info and part numbers from me.. Gee, it would be nice to give credit to the proper person

 

Go to AutoZone, get 22mm ES bushings they keep in stock... Those should work fine. I already have them but have yet to install them..

 

As for the lateral links, using stock Gen2 units, ES does not make bushings for them. If you really want poly bushings in them, get a set of links from BMR Fabrication. A quick search and you can find them for under $400 for them.. Im sure you might be able to find ES bushings that would fit, but I wasnt gonna melt them out to get proper measurements to find somthing... Just makes more sense to make a set which I will be doing. While they are a bit more stable than our stock, they arent that much more stronger and WILL bend just like our stock. They do flex too.. Just for a budget upgrade, they cant be beat for us wanting proper toe adjustment and a longer link

 

You are doing the exact same setup in the rear as me, its a world of difference. Its much stiffer and firmer, not really neck jarring at all, and will take some getting used to around turns as the rear end acts much different... Fells much stable, but hit a hard enough bump going around a hard turn and it will act like a RWD car with a "live axle".... Honestly, if will feels just like a 3rd or 4th gen F-body

[CSI_MuNkY]

The BMR parts are over priced, Held makes the exact same thing for a lot less, they can make them adjustable and any length you want them. I ordered mine non adjustable and stock length (I now wish I had gotten them an inch longer, but oh well) and I paid $300 for all 3 sets of arms.

 

Jamie

[Venom]

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/Energy-Suspension-Universal-Link-Flange-Type-Bushings.asp

 

There is the page for PN and sizes of the ES universal bushings you could use. But like 1LoudCutty said you would need to melt out the old bushings to get the proper measurements, so your best bet is just use whats in there now.

[GP4U2NV]

1LoudCutty:

Except the advice you got from Chris came from info and part numbers from me.. Gee, it would be nice to give credit to the proper person

 

Go to AutoZone, get 22mm ES bushings they keep in stock... Those should work fine.

 

I never said that I got the parts list from him. I knew I got the list from your post. I am sorry.

I got the list of 2nd gen parts from him. (gpchris)

 

Posted by: GTP_MuNkY

Those in the picture are Held Lateral links... I dunno if the bushing would be the same between them and a 2nd gen lateral link.

What progressive rate springs are you going with?

What are you doing for an upper spring mount?

 

-So no one has but ES bushings in stocks? I thought I saw a post. That might be why I cant find the post.

-I am thinking one of these QA1 progressive springs - 12-175/350 12-130/250

-I thought from my reading that the a new stock is the best way to go.

 

 

Posted by: GTP_MuNkY

The BMR parts are over priced, Held makes the exact same thing for a lot less, they can make them adjustable and any length you want them. I ordered mine non adjustable and stock length (I now wish I had gotten them an inch longer, but oh well) and I paid $300 for all 3 sets of arms.

 

Why would you want them an inch longer?

 

Posted by: Venom

 

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/Energy-Suspension-Universal-Link-Flange-Type-Bushings.asp

 

There is the page for PN and sizes of the ES universal bushings you could use. But like 1LoudCutty said you would need to melt out the old bushings to get the proper measurements, so your best bet is just use whats in there now.

 

These bushings can not be pressed out?

What are peoples thoughts on the possability of finding a correct fitment.

 

 

 

 

[CSI_MuNkY]

Posted by: GTP_MuNkY

Those in the picture are Held Lateral links... I dunno if the bushing would be the same between them and a 2nd gen lateral link.

What progressive rate springs are you going with?

What are you doing for an upper spring mount?

 

(1)-So no one has but ES bushings in stocks? I thought I saw a post. That might be why I cant find the post.

(2)-I am thinking one of these QA1 progressive springs - 12-175/350 12-130/250

(3)-I thought from my reading that the a new stock is the best way to go.

 

(1) I don't know that no one makes stock bushings. If you try hard enough you might be able to find some ES bushings in the right size. If you have a 2nd gen arm already measure the inside of it and the length of the inner sleeve, then go to this site and try to match it up with one of the parts they have listed.

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/Energy-Suspension-Universal-Link-Flange-Type-Bushings.asp

(2) I would go with the 175-350 myself, 130-250 is too soft for me...

(3) A new stock mount to sit the spring on in my opinion is extremely stupid (no offense to those that have done it) The spring has the ability to sit anywhere on that mount when it comes unloaded, you want the shaft of the strut centered in the spring, but if it comes unloaded the spring will actually sit against the strut.

 

Posted by: GTP_MuNkY

The BMR parts are over priced, Held makes the exact same thing for a lot less, they can make them adjustable and any length you want them. I ordered mine non adjustable and stock length (I now wish I had gotten them an inch longer, but oh well) and I paid $300 for all 3 sets of arms.

 

Why would you want them an inch longer?

 

1" longer would widen the wheel base of the car by 2", lowering your center of gravity.

Because I didn't get longer arms I am going with wheel spacers (the type that bolt to the hub and then the wheel bolts to them)

 

Jamie

[GP4U2NV]

Posted by: GTP_MuNkY

(1) I don't know that no one makes stock bushings. If you try hard enough you might be able to find some ES bushings in the right size. If you have a 2nd gen arm already measure the inside of it and the length of the inner sleeve, then go to this site and try to match it up with one of the parts they have listed.

http://www.energysuspensionparts.com/Energy-Suspension-Universal-Link-Flange-Type-Bushings.asp

 

(2) I would go with the 175-350 myself, 130-250 is too soft for me...

 

(3) A new stock mount to sit the spring on in my opinion is extremely stupid (no offense to those that have done it) The spring has the ability to sit anywhere on that mount when it comes unloaded, you want the shaft of the strut centered in the spring, but if it comes unloaded the spring will actually sit against the strut.

 

I am really supprised that with the support and number of 2nd gen owners that there isnt someone that has done this.

 

I was thinking that the 175-350 more so that I that was going to do with 275 lbs but that isnt a choice.

 

what would you advise for the upper mount????

[CSI_MuNkY]

What kind of manufacturing equipment do you have access to? Band saw? welder? Drill press? If you have those 3 things you can make a set like mine in a couple hours

 

Jamie

[GP4U2NV]

I can use them.... I used to have some of them.

But, I have friends that bought most of them from me. What did you do?

 

[CSI_MuNkY]

Mine are the held mounts.... But they are supper simple and if I ever need to replace one, I will make another.

 

the only part I am unsure of is the bushing....

I have to do rear struts on my car when I get it back on the road, so I will take pics of the bushing and mount. This will probably be some time early to mid april.

 

Jamie

[GP4U2NV]

1" longer would widen the wheel base of the car by 2", lowering your center of gravity.

Because I didn't get longer arms I am going with wheel spacers (the type that bolt to the hub and then the wheel bolts to them)

 

Jamie

 

Um, wait a minute. Are you telling me that "held" will make you a longer than a stock 2nd gen lateral / spindle rod ?

Or, that the 2nd gen ones are longer than ours and will allow the suspension to be shoved out further?

[CSI_MuNkY]

Held would of made mine an inch longer... at the time I was dealing with Lee, now its some Erik guy, no idea what happened to Lee.

When I got mine he asked me to measure the center to center length of my lateral links, it I had told him 1 inch longer I would of gotten them one inch longer.

 

Honestly though, a monkey could make w-body lateral links. All you need is a jig to keep both end sections parallel and a welder. Personally I would just tack them and take them somewhere to be tig welded, but if you trust your welds you could do them yourself.

 

Jamie

[Venom]

Ive thought about replacing the stock bushings for the lateral arms with some ES ones, hence the reason for me having the website bookmarked, but two things stop me from doing it:

 

1) If i go through all the work of removing the old bushings, measuring and then finding out that ES doesnt make one close enough for me to be able to replace them, then Ive wasted a bunch of time and money.

 

2) Even if they do have the bushings the right sizes, Ill prob have another $30-40 in new bushings ontop of the $40 or so Ill pay at the yard for the arms. Add to that the cost of having a shop press in the new bushings if needed, I might as well buy the aftermarket ones. The whole goal of doing DIY coil overs and uprgraded stock parts is to save money.

 

I may still do it, and if I do I will definately post the part numbers.

[GP4U2NV]

Even if they do have the bushings the right sizes, Ill prob have another $30-40 in new bushings ontop of the $40 or so Ill pay at the yard for the arms. Add to that the cost of having a shop press in the new bushings if needed, I might as well buy the aftermarket ones. The whole goal of doing DIY coil overs and uprgraded stock parts is to save money.

 

I may still do it, and if I do I will definately post the part numbers.

 

Well, Here is my math:

At the junk yard:

(2) Lateral Links

(2) Spindle Links

(1) Monte Carlo FE9 bar

______________________________________$34.50

 

Bushings for Spindle/Lateral (8)

_____________________________________ $40.00

 

Bushings for sway bar links/mounts

______________________________________$30.00

 

Powder coating brackets, Mounts, rods, links

______________________________________$60.00

 

Grease Fittings (8)

______________________________________$5.00

 

Total--------------------------------------$169.50

[Venom]

OK so I got my second gen lateral arms today and got the bushing out of one of them and got it all measured up. I compared the numbers on the above website and ES number 9.9107 are the ones that are pretty much dead on. I ordered 4 sets of the red ones to match the rest of the bushings just now (one set for each arm) and it cost me almost $40. Once I get them I will try them out and report back.

[CSI_MuNkY]

Whats the center to center dimension on the gen 2 lateral links?

 

Jamie

[Venom]

Whats the center to center dimension on the gen 2 lateral links?

 

Jamie

 

Ill measure later for you

[CSI_MuNkY]

Kool, thanks!

 

Jamie

[GP4U2NV]

I guess that I should have updated a bit sooner.

 

I got all the bushings out with a press and messured them last week. I have ordered all ES parts for the coil overs, the lateral, spindle, and sway bar.

 

I did NOT come up with the same part number tho. I have gone with the 9.9108 the only differance is the the bolt hole. The 1/2 is a bit to small for the stock size bolt. The 9/16th is a bit to big.

 

 

[Venom]

I guess that I should have updated a bit sooner.

 

I got all the bushings out with a press and messured them last week. I have ordered all ES parts for the coil overs, the lateral, spindle, and sway bar.

 

I did NOT come up with the same part number tho. I have gone with the 9.9108 the only differance is the the bolt hole. The 1/2 is a bit to small for the stock size bolt. The 9/16th is a bit to big.

 

 

 

Good to hear man, I was jumping between those two part numbers and I figured I could just drill out the bolt hole a little bit if need be over being to big. Have you installed them yet?

[GP4U2NV]

I have not installed them on the vehicle I have slipped them into the ends.

 

Noted: I have all the bars etc at the powder coater.

[BXX]

Hey Rob, or anyone else, while you guys are ripping into things, I need the diameter of the strut rod where it goes through the mount (the threaded part) and dimensions of the stock mount (the upper part thats kinda diamond shaped)

 

-Thanks!

[GP4U2NV]

I can help you out I just dont know what part you want messured?