meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 So I was drving tonight and everythings been great with the 89 5spd as I said the other day. When all of the sudden it gets hard, like very hard to shift into gears. Clutch fluid is fine and it shifts near perfect when the car is off. But when running,... 80% of the time now it's really tough to get into gear, and I can't even put it in reverse or it grinds... it normally did that a little unless I shifted up into 5th a little before going down into reverse, but now I have to shut the car off in order to get into reverse then start up again. This definately sounds internal, and unfortunately I know next to nothing about standard trannies so what do you think it is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I just checked my haynes manual and it says that there is a dipstick to check the lubricant level near the master cylinder.. well if it then I can't find it to save my life... I know there is that plug on the lower end on the drivers side of the tranny... but I thought that was just to fill, is that where I check the level, maybe that is my problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 sounds like you have air in the clutch hydraulics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I hope it is something that simple, I have been searching the forums, is that easy to bleed out? nevermind I found it http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php?topic=16095.msg161944#msg161944 I musta skipped over that thread before, I will try it tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 from what ive heard, no....theres a thread on here somehwere on how to do a 284's line. a 282 line im not even sure you can bleed. neither of them have bleeder screws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Me thinks his pressure plate is taking a shit.... A failing pressure plate is the most common cause of hard shifting/getting into gear... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 but would the pressure plate be something that would just go all at once or is that something that kinda slowly goes, know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BXX Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 but would the pressure plate be something that would just go all at once or is that something that kinda slowly goes, know what I mean? It tends to be something that happens over time, but most people never notice the change until its a pain to get into gear.. Another thought is a drain and fill of the gear lube... but that prolly wont correct what you are having issues with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I really hope it's as simple as air in the system, I'd hate to have to drive the TGP in this weather if it's something serious til I can get it fixed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 the trans dipstick is there. you can see it from the driver side wheel well with the wheel off. or possibly prom the top just left of the brake mc. i hate that dipstick cuz it goes in crooked and it makes the level hard to get accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderw31 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Kinda sounds like something in the clutch hydraulics to me. Possibly air in the lines, or maybe one of the cylinders is leaking. Does the pedal feel any different than before? Does it shift any better if you rapidly pump the pedal a few times before you try to change gears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 the pedal feels the same as it always has, and I have not tried to rapidly pump it or double clutch at all, cuz I figured double clutching wouldnt do anything, I will try that tomorrow cuz I am out now and I took my dad's truck and left the car home. I know where that dipstick is, I was just goin off what the book said, thought that might been something different for some reason..lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 double clutching will help if its a trans issue, not hydraulics. yeah i guess just check the fluid for now n see if u or someone else can find that thread about bleeing (i dont feel like it ) here a pic of a 282. ignore the red box. dipstick is before the yellow n purple wires Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Yes I found the thread about bleeding the system and will try that tomorrow, I also remembered that dipstick on the bottom there from when I had the tire off a while ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderw31 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 double clutching will help if its a trans issue, not hydraulics. Correct, but to clarify, I did not mean to try double clutching. I was recommending pumping the clutch pedal more than once before attempting to shift gears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 You should be able to get to it from the top, it's a reach, but you should have no problem, I can reach mine on my 91 CS and that has the LQ1. My 90 Z24 cav has a 282, when I first bought it, the clutch was slipping so bad it's a miracle I made it back to MN from CO. Once I got to my house, I couldn't even get it in gear. To back it up into the garage, I had to shut it off, throw it in reverse and start it back up. You're also supposed to change the fluid in a 282 or 284 every 30k miles, I did the clutch in my Z @ 112, changed fluid at 145, and again at around 155k because that stupid dipstick plug got so wore out it popped out. I went to check the fluid because difficulty getting it into gear and it was gone I ordered a new one from the local dealership, and haven't had any issues thus far. Luckily this was during a -25 winchill cold spell, and I don't think any moisture got in, I immediatley changed the trans fluid. double clutching will help if its a trans issue, not hydraulics. Correct, but to clarify, I did not mean to try double clutching. I was recommending pumping the clutch pedal more than once before attempting to shift gears. This is how I knew the slave or master was bad in my 90 International, it sometimes didn't want to go into gear, and/or grinded horribly, but pumping the clutch pedal several times before moving it into gear worked as smooth as butter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Ya, so how about today, I start it up, it's still tough to shift... I jack it up, check the fluid, check for leaks, fluids fine, actually slightly over full, not burnt at all, smells and looks fine, no leaks. I take off the clutch fluid resevour (can't spell that word for the life of me)...lol and check the hose and no leaks there, put it all back together, take it for a spin and now it's fine, shifts great... wtf?..lol I'm thinking maybe there was some ice on the linkage or something that may have been restricting it, cuz it even shifts into reverse better now... werid? but thanx for the replies, at least I know what to look for if it happens again. I am still going to change the fluid this weekend, I am due for an oil change anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderw31 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 That's good to hear man! Yeah, it is possible for you to have symptoms like you described because of something restricting the movement of the linkage. That would essentially have not been allowing the the clutch to fully disengage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Ya so it happened again today after being fine thepast few days and now it seems worse than it was the other day. And anther interesting fact, if I am stopped in gear, clutch down all the way, the car shakes and the speedo reads 3 or 4 mph and the car or tires aren't moving. I didnt get to the fluid change this weekend, it was way too cold so I am doing it tomorrow, is there a filter I should change along with it. I still don't think the fluid is the problem as it was clear and up to the full line. I did notice while playing with the linkage a little bit, the part that goes in and out with the shaft (I know shit about sticks, so idk what it's called), seems to wobble a little bit, but the bolts seem tight, I almost think that with the design of it there is supposed to be some play in it. it's under the black part of the linkage in the picture posted above, above the red circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 There's no filter of any sort, just drain from the drain plug (I drove mine for about 30 min so fluid was warm) and refill with new. Good luck with the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderw31 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to regarding the part that has play in it, but I don't think there should be play in it. If it is the slave cylinder then definately not. If you are seeing the select lever (I think that is what it is called), then it should rotate, but not wobble. Of course we could also be talking about two completely different pieces here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 I think it would be the selecter lever, the one with the piston that as you push the shifter up or down it pulls that piston in or out. But again, omw home tonight, no problems... WTF is going on here, this just doesn't make sense... >< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderw31 Posted January 13, 2009 Report Share Posted January 13, 2009 AFAIK, there shoudln't be any play in the shift mechanism, but it's too cold/dark out for me to go look at the tranny in the Fiero to verify. It still sounds like clutch hydraulics to me though. Off the top of my head I don't know how much travel is needed at the slave cylinder for full clutch disengagement, but that would be what you'd need to verify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Wel, I think it's gota be the throwout bearing. I was driving to school today and I pulled into BK and I heard some clicking, I thought it was just maybe my blower motor goin bad, so I shut it off, and I noticed it was only happening when I had the clutch pushed in. It was just a constant clicking noise. It does it when stopped in neutral and any time I push the clutch in, once I even touch the clutch it starts. While driving though there is no noise, only when I go to press the clutch. Anyone got a part number so I get the right one, I was lookin online and I saw one listed for an Izuzu tranny, that's not the right one I don't think, but advanceautoparts.com listed the izuzu one for the 89, but that can't be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern8tion9l Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 believe it or not, i think it is the isuzu one.....i got one from napa a couple years ago and i remember being like wtf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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