AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'm looking at selling the hatch soon..... and am thinking of either a 4 door accord 99-02 or a 00+ Impala. Now, I do most of my driving in town....35-55mph. But I do drive hwy ~200 miles a month. My question, is what differences is there between the 3400 FDR's and teh 3800 FDR's? If I get an impala, I would like to get a 3400, but is that motor only available in the "base" models? I'm asking about FDR's because I want to get the best mileage possible......I know the 3800's can smoke an accord on HWY MPG....my friends w/ 99-02 accords get 27-30 hwy mpg...but intown, they aren't bad. I for one, can't fathom why accords get so bad of mpg, but that is for another thread. Discuss please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 high rpms in the accord I believe. that little mouse under the hood in puking it's guts out trying to keep the car as speed. I heard 3000 was normal for 60 mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 yep.....~3700 at 80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I'd get the Impala just because its an American made car. I've see fully loaded 3400 cars before too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1234 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 its really pretty much the same. 3.8s tend to do a little better on the freeway, but usually the 3.4 has the advantage. If you have any Impala questions, feel free to ask. i love mine and would never go back to a first gen or 1.5 gen w-body. other than the 3 or 4 major problems known to go bad that i have had to fix, i love it. And i would rec. the 3.8. just test drive one. youll know what i mean. plus its great in the freeway. 75mph, 2100 rpms. There are 3 different gear ratios available in the diff: 2.86 (3.4L stock) 3.05 ( Imp 3.8 NA Stock ) 3.29 ( Monte SS 3.8 NA, Imp/Monte 3.8 SC Stock) There are 3 different sprocket sets available ( 2 from the factory, 1 aftermarket) 33:37 (HD Stock) 35:35 (LS & Base Stock) 37:33 (ZZP Aftermarket) For an HD tranny, it's (33/37) * 3.29 = 2.93 For an LS tranny, it's (35/35) * 3.05 = 3.05 HD Diff in an LS tranny, it's (35/35) * 3.29 = 3.29 HD Diff w/ ZZP Aftermarket Sprockets. it's (37/33) * 3.29 = 3.69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I Was Thinking A Lower Gear Ratio Would Give Better HWY MPG. So The 3400 Wins Here. What Are The 4 Known Issues You Had To Fix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Also, You Know An Accord Will Last Years Without Problem, But The Drivers Seat And Driving Ergonomics Suck. Not A Comfortable Car To Drive. I'm Also Thinking About A Regal. No Gs, I Don't Want The SC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 How Hard Is It To Tune For Lean Cruise On OBD 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1234 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 hazzard switch, fuel level sending unit, ignition switch, i think that is it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 I might be selling my 03 GPGT if your interested. PM me. I would test drive a 3400 and a 3800 impala and see which you like better... I know the 3400 gets pretty good gas mileage, I just dont know how good, but overall there both great but I think the 3800 has a better suspension unless thats the MC only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 also thinkig about a regal too..... don't want a second gen GP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakdown Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 also thinkig about a regal too..... don't want a second gen GP I thought that everyone wanted to be like me??? Or are you just opposed to BBQ's. Adam, I had a lot of problems finding a really well-equipped Regal LS when searching (lesbians seem to be eveywhere until you need one) I believe that GM doesn't have the 3.4L V6 running to full potential in the Impala, to help the 3800 look good (or incrementally better). The Impala is the only W with the 3.4L V6 (aside from the MC), the constant problem with the Impalas is that so many of them out there were fleet cars at one point in their lives. Impala LS's here seem to hold far too much value compared to the base sedans, not really worth the extra coin. Best of luck, but try 'em all out as stated earlier before making a decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 WTF is this doing in "Other cars"? But yeah, what Nick said. The 3400 Impalas and Montes are rated for 32 HWY by the EPA, and we all know that steady constant highway driving can achieve better numbers, PLUS the tall gearing does much better when going over 65 MPH. Forget about lean cruise. I think if you can get an EFI-live program for the PCM and tune that way, you may be able to enable a pseudo-lean cruise. I don't know if they cover the W-body program though (They definitely do F-bodies) If you pick up a stripper base Impala with the lightest wheels possible, low RR tires, drive appropriately, you'll enjoy some good solid high MPG #'s. Nothing like your Civic did but at least you'll have enough room to turn and fart! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 IDK Brian. Can You Move To General Please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to eaton Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 3400's are FTW! pretty quick. My Grandpa has an 02 impala with the 3400. and aunt has an 04.. i think 04 with a 3400 in it. I LOVE them both Nice car's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremerevolution Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Friends don't let friends buy imports. 'nuff said; get the Impala. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Do The Impala's Have The U Bend? And How Big Is The DP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 probably, and too small. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1234 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 yes but speaking first hand changing it makes no different at all. i take a lot of trips to ohio and michigan from milwauke. with everything in good working order, good plugs, fuel filter, stock intake and exhaust, i average 31-33 mpg on that 360 mile trip. mind you that is 65 through chicago, 75-80 on open highway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 What Level Do I Need To Get To Get A Center Consol And Alloy Wheels. I Don't Want Hub Caps Or Column Shift. And I Need A Cd Player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1234 Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 it will be hard to track down a base with a floor shifter and alloys, but they are out there with the 16's on em. some base have a cd player, some don't. so prolly an LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I'd get the Impala just because its an American made car. that's an ignorant reason as to the deciding factor in choosing between two cars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWeb80 Posted September 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 there are really 2 things holding me back from an accord 1. The ergonomics of the drivers seat is NOT comfortable at all....no foot room in the for your feet either. 2. not very good hwy mpg for a little 4 cyl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leinzey Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 A buddy of mine has a 2003 base Impy and it's great. The 3400 moves out great for commuting purposes and I sort of like having the extra foot room you get with the column shift. The arm rest in the center is big enough to divide the driver and passenger, so you really don't notice not having the center console. I'm thinking about getting one, but part of me wants a Grand Am GT. They're a bit smaller, but it'd be fine as a DD and they definitely handle better. Plus, it's less frumpy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 A buddy of mine has a 2003 base Impy and it's great. The 3400 moves out great for commuting purposes and I sort of like having the extra foot room you get with the column shift. The arm rest in the center is big enough to divide the driver and passenger, so you really don't notice not having the center console. I'm thinking about getting one, but part of me wants a Grand Am GT. They're a bit smaller, but it'd be fine as a DD and they definitely handle better. Plus, it's less frumpy. Or you could always buy back your white M90'ed GT. It's back up for sale :-P But to not derail the thread. Impala ftw. I love my dad's 04 LS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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