Cam'ron Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Good or bad? my dad got told by ford not to run ethanol blend in his van cause the computer can misinterpret it as water in the fuel... couple stations around here have 94 octane ethanol blended gas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 It's a lot of the reason food prices have skyrocketed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted July 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 wut ok err other than the economical impact of corn based fuels... is it good for the cars? any benifit over runnning say just 91 octane? it is the only octane higher than 91 i have seen around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 10% is the maximum I'd run in any car that isn't designed for it. We've had 10% ethanol in our 87 and 89 for a long time here - my car gets worse mileage but that's about it. Premium so far doesn't have any at most stations. E85 I wouldn't run in any car but a flex fuel vehicle. I'm assuming you want to run the 94 octane ethanol blend from Husky or Mohawk?? IMO still with Shell 91 and you'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted July 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 yeah they just opened up a husky behind my parents place and they have the blended 94 up there, but i wanted to know what the deal was... i run shell 91 as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns87 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 My mpgs went down after I started using Ethanol blend. Its all NY has now for regular so whatevs. Our car can run on 10% blend though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 yeah they just opened up a husky behind my parents place and they have the blended 94 up there, but i wanted to know what the deal was... i run shell 91 as it is. I'd personally stick with "normal" fuel. I'm sure the 94 blend won't hurt and maybe you should try it a few times and see what happens - but any car I've owned that has ethanol blended fuel in it sucks balls and loses a few mpg too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 my z34 seems to not like the ethanol blended stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSI_MuNkY Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Almost everything in Ontario "may contain up to 10% ethanol" according to the pumps... never been an issue for me By all means use Ethanol! My fiancee just got a job at the new Ethanol plant in Aylmer Ontario... they do profit sharing... I can't wait! haha Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AxlCrucifix Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I got noticably worse mileage when using 91 octane with 10% ethanol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac6KSTEAWD Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Ethanol sucks ass. Cars will use 20% or more of E85 with it. My car, the AWD, got 10 MPG worse gas milage with just 10%. Our cars were not designed to run this ethanol crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to eaton Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 thats very true. Its cheaper to run premium in a regular car now than it is to run mixed gas.Not only does your car run smoother and more problem free you get about 13-14 more mpg. honestly it's that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 thats very true. Its cheaper to run premium in a regular car now than it is to run mixed gas.Not only does your car run smoother and more problem free you get about 13-14 more mpg. honestly it's that bad. I dunno what kinda blended fuel you guys have there, but here, the difference between ethanol blended regular and premium is very small. I tried running it in my 89 regal, and other then a very slightly smoother idle, my fuel mileage was basically unchanged. I might spring for a tank of premium in the 2000 and see if there are any gains. It is very possible that the Up to 10% blend that we have is not actually 10%. Either way, I really don't see myself having any kinda big gains from premium. Also, the 13-14 MPG extra is BS. At the most, you might see a 2MPG gain over a long highway trip. I am able to pull around 28 MPG with my commuting to and from work and running around, and I really don't see myself getting any higher than that with premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to eaton Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Ethanol sucks ass. Cars will use 20% or more of E85 with it. My car, the AWD, got 10 MPG worse gas milage with just 10%. Our cars were not designed to run this ethanol crap. Yeah idk were you get gass but 13-14mph was not bullhit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Fury Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 They don't sell gass around here, so I wouldn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89SupremeCutty Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 i get crap for gas mileage with anything but normal gasoline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted to eaton Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 same here. do you think it might be around 10mpg different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleeingpepper Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 I get from like 4-8 mpg better with a clean tank. IE: Not one fill up in a loong time has been ethanol. I was pissed on Saturday, the station with no ethanol right by my house was out of gas! So I go to Sinclair and it has ethanol too! I had to be at a movie in 20 mins and buy dinner too! So now I have 5 gallons of ethanol in my tank, and 4 of real gas. So Shell's highest octane has none, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Wow, sounds like you guys have some real shit gas down there. I wouldn't be surprised if they are running more then 10% ethanol. Since I bought my 2000, I have done about 60% highway and 40% city mileage on it and my running average is just over 31 MPG (26 US MPG) That is all on regular with up to 10% ethanol. I really don't see me being able to gain all that much, if anything by using premium in my car. Guess I gotta keep this in mind the next time i head down to the US. One tank was Esso Regular, and the other 2 were Shell Bronze. Both of them with up to 10% ethanol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z34Phoenix Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Well 04SuperchargedSS im shocked to see you ruing 91... thought that the L67 called for 93! as for the DOHC's when mine was mostly stock i got my best mpg and performance on 89. 91 and 93 just didnt run right. currently i have a very agressive spark table and tuning so im better off with 93... Car specifics asside.... lets get to facts.... - since gas prices have gone up and more pumps are showing stickers saying "up to 10% ethonal" i have seen my fuel trims get leaner. i atribute some of this to the rising temp out side though. never the less tuning has changed. i am always adjusting tuning in my car. so the main factor is the fuel.... my mpg has not drastically changed either. main point... this 10% blend could effect mpg but the change is not noticable! like stated before stations have been aproved to use up 10% ethonal for some time now... (with processing costs i doubt it saves them any money at all using ethonal in their gas) personally knowing ethonal burns at a much lower AF then gas...i do not like them putting it in gas! yes i think the AF diff is like 13.8 vs 14.7 for the ideal AF to be stoic. so that like a 7% diff so only 10% of the fuel will burn 7% leaner... that means the actual fuel is only .7% leaner then reg 100% gas.... that is less then 1%!!!!! your average car has fuel trims that are off + - 7 to 10%!!!! as for power... lets just say ethonal gives only 60% the power of gas... that means that 10% of ethonal is giving you only 6% power toward the total... that means 10% E gas has the power of 96%... only loosing 4% most of the people complaining about this have 3100's lets say things are perfict and you have 160hp a 4% drop in power will cost you 6hp tops. yeah that sucks... means your AirIntake lets you break even... if your worried about mpg... stick to your tuneups, tire pressure, pulling junk out of car... ethonal in your fuel is not a big factor when it is 10% or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted July 21, 2008 Report Share Posted July 21, 2008 Personally I can't wait for E85 to show up in my area. 104 octane FTW! Also.. E85 will gives you about 5% MORE power then gasoline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted July 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Well 04SuperchargedSS im shocked to see you ruing 91... thought that the L67 called for 93! as for the DOHC's when mine was mostly stock i got my best mpg and performance on 89. 91 and 93 just didnt run right. currently i have a very agressive spark table and tuning so im better off with 93... Car specifics asside.... lets get to facts.... - since gas prices have gone up and more pumps are showing stickers saying "up to 10% ethonal" i have seen my fuel trims get leaner. i atribute some of this to the rising temp out side though. never the less tuning has changed. i am always adjusting tuning in my car. so the main factor is the fuel.... my mpg has not drastically changed either. main point... this 10% blend could effect mpg but the change is not noticable! like stated before stations have been aproved to use up 10% ethonal for some time now... (with processing costs i doubt it saves them any money at all using ethonal in their gas) personally knowing ethonal burns at a much lower AF then gas...i do not like them putting it in gas! yes i think the AF diff is like 13.8 vs 14.7 for the ideal AF to be stoic. so that like a 7% diff so only 10% of the fuel will burn 7% leaner... that means the actual fuel is only .7% leaner then reg 100% gas.... that is less then 1%!!!!! your average car has fuel trims that are off + - 7 to 10%!!!! as for power... lets just say ethonal gives only 60% the power of gas... that means that 10% of ethonal is giving you only 6% power toward the total... that means 10% E gas has the power of 96%... only loosing 4% most of the people complaining about this have 3100's lets say things are perfict and you have 160hp a 4% drop in power will cost you 6hp tops. yeah that sucks... means your AirIntake lets you break even... if your worried about mpg... stick to your tuneups, tire pressure, pulling junk out of car... ethonal in your fuel is not a big factor when it is 10% or less. "perfered" is 93 but 91 is minimum... we dont have "normal" 93 up here the highest we have is 91 as a regular premium but i just noticed this E-B 94 octane hence my original question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schurkey Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Ethanol sucks ass. Cars will use 20% or more of E85 with it. My car, the AWD, got 10 MPG worse gas milage with just 10%. Our cars were not designed to run this ethanol crap. Oh, please. GM has specifically stated that 10% ethanol; or 5% methanol + cosolvents, is acceptable. Ethanol does not have as many BTUs per gallon; your mileage WILL decrease--generally about 3% for E-10 (sold as "Gasohol", around here). Don't even think about filling the tank of an ordinary car with E85. I have used ethanol-fortified gasoline as my fuel of choice for 27+ years; in that time I've had Z-E-R-O problems. In the very early years--early to mid-'80s--there were people who had fuel-related issues when using alcohol-blended fuel. These always traced back to gas stations that had leaky, defective underground tanks. The alcohol did a wonderful job of cleaning out the underground tank--but it all ended up in the vehicle tank! Since the EPA has required those leaky underground tanks to be removed and replaced with double-wall tanks having moisture sensors, there really hasn't been any problem with contaminated fuel for many years. Ethanol-blended fuel works fine in modern vehicles; and in older vehicles if the rubber fuel system components (primarily hoses) are in good condition. Methanol-blended fuel is more corrosive--but--almost impossible to find. I haven't seen methanol-blend since the '80's. That said--it may be fine fuel, but it's TERRIBLE farm policy; it's TERRIBLE economic policy; it's TERRIBLE fuel policy; it's a drain of tax money to support corporations at the expense of citizens. I support ethanol-blended fuel, but I do NOT support government subsidies of the ethanol industry. Corporate Welfare is ALWAYS wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSI_MuNkY Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Yeah I have noticed NO difference in mileage between straight gas and E10... Maybe now that I have the exhaust fixed I might, but I doubt it... Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EviLette Posted July 22, 2008 Report Share Posted July 22, 2008 Ethanol sucks ass. Cars will use 20% or more of E85 with it. My car, the AWD, got 10 MPG worse gas milage with just 10%. Our cars were not designed to run this ethanol crap. Oh, please. GM has specifically stated that 10% ethanol; or 5% methanol + cosolvents, is acceptable. Ethanol does not have as many BTUs per gallon; your mileage WILL decrease--generally about 3% for E-10 (sold as "Gasohol", around here). Don't even think about filling the tank of an ordinary car with E85. I have used ethanol-fortified gasoline as my fuel of choice for 27+ years; in that time I've had Z-E-R-O problems. In the very early years--early to mid-'80s--there were people who had fuel-related issues when using alcohol-blended fuel. These always traced back to gas stations that had leaky, defective underground tanks. The alcohol did a wonderful job of cleaning out the underground tank--but it all ended up in the vehicle tank! Since the EPA has required those leaky underground tanks to be removed and replaced with double-wall tanks having moisture sensors, there really hasn't been any problem with contaminated fuel for many years. Ethanol-blended fuel works fine in modern vehicles; and in older vehicles if the rubber fuel system components (primarily hoses) are in good condition. Methanol-blended fuel is more corrosive--but--almost impossible to find. I haven't seen methanol-blend since the '80's. That said--it may be fine fuel, but it's TERRIBLE farm policy; it's TERRIBLE economic policy; it's TERRIBLE fuel policy; it's a drain of tax money to support corporations at the expense of citizens. I support ethanol-blended fuel, but I do NOT support government subsidies of the ethanol industry. Corporate Welfare is ALWAYS wrong. Go YOU! However... This ethanol crap will not work in most of our cars here. It's designed and can run fairly well in NEWER cars, but when you are running a 16 year over 15 years old, like a lot of us here... we find that it doesn't do justice to regular gasoline. I didn't notice the power drop. I noticed my car not running right. And my gas gauge screwing up, and computer acting weird. I will never put that crap in my car again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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