j_mezz Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Something seems to be sticking in my 5-spd. The first time I drive the car in the morning as I ease the clutch off in first gear engine RPM's go way down to the point of stalling - so I have to race the engine up a bit to keep it going. When I finally get off the clutch the car lurches forward, then everything is fine till I leave it overnight again... Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Ball Posted June 4, 2008 Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 Sounds like a fuel pressure problem. Will it die in neutral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_mezz Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2008 No, she runs fine - in fact she runs great! I must look like a complete spaz, I'm either racing the engine way higher than I should need to, or practly stalling it 2 or 3 times before I can get fully off the clutch. Then it's fine the rest of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 It's probably your slave cylinder, and after a couple time it's building pressure enough to work, overnight losing pressure again. My 91 international would die coasting to a stop sign unless you pulled it into neutral because if the slave is shot the clutch is still slightly engaged, not fully released from lack of presure thus stalling out the engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89GP_SE Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 When you start off for the first time in the morning.. pump your clutch 2 or three times before you put it in gear, then see what happens. Sounds to me like the slave is not building pressure rightaway. Check your clutch fluid (dot 3). I would say if you can, try bleeding the system as well, although I hear this is a daunting task in the w's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_mezz Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 That sounds pretty logical, thanks! Is that something I can get to or is it in the tranny? I'll do a lot of things on my cars but there's no way I'll open up the tranny. I was just thinking about pumping the clutch a few times...I'll try it tomorrow and let you know. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89GP_SE Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 That sounds pretty logical, thanks! Is that something I can get to or is it in the tranny? I'll do a lot of things on my cars but there's no way I'll open up the tranny. I was just thinking about pumping the clutch a few times...I'll try it tomorrow and let you know. Thanks! I dont know where abouts it would be, im pretty sure that they are not internal.. so it will be bolted somewhere on the tranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89GP_SE Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 http://www.autozone.com/shopping/repairGuide.htm?pageId=0900c15280068124 repair guide on slave cylinder, and master i guess. Looks like it has to all come out as one unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Here's the slave on my 91, it's a 284, but a 282 looks the same. It's on the front top part of the trans under the air filter and pipe. The difference is a 284 slave has an actuator also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_mezz Posted June 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 Pumping the clutch does help, that must be the problem. Any idea how much harm I'd be doing if I ran like this for a while? Anyone changed a slave cylinder before? Looks like something I can get to without too much pain, mine is a 92 so I guess that would have the actuator as well. Thanks for the pic and links!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 It's easy, it's just expensive and finding one in a junkyard that isn't ruined is next to impossible. Save yourself the effort and buy one new from the dealer. They retail for around $300 IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
89GP_SE Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 It's easy, it's just expensive and finding one in a junkyard that isn't ruined is next to impossible. Save yourself the effort and buy one new from the dealer. They retail for around $300 IIRC. wow really, the one for my firebird was like.. 100 bucks check online and maybe get an aftermarket one if you cannot afford the gm one. I had no choice but to go aftermarket on mine as my car is now obsolete according to gm haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm fairly certain aftermarket units don't exist for the 284. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Rockauto has them for $190 Is you vert a 5 speed, or is this for another car? I've never seen a vert 284. If this was a 282 on a 3.1 it would be i think $60 or so, but the 284 one with the actuator is alot more, like I said $190 at rockauto is the cheapest, anywhere you order it for is going to take a long time. I talked to advance I think it was, and they told me they could get one, but they said they'd have to order it and it would be manafactured for them. Nobody has them in stock so expect a few weeks to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_mezz Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Nope, you still haven't seen one, the 5-spd's a coupe. I wish! It's a '92 3.4 DOHC, that would make it a 284? I also have a '88 5-spd parts car, that would be the 282? I think you guys nailed it so if it's gonna take a while I'll have to get one on order. At least I have a good work around till I can get my hands on one. Thanks very much, you guys are good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 that slave cyl... ugh what a pain... in my wallet. just to clear up the confusion here... the getrag 284 slave cyl is a unit and should be replaced as such, as in that goofy actuator and the slave cyl should not be separated, that isan't to say that you can't replace just the one part of it if done properly, but as per my experience once air gets up into that actuator it is done. I ended up spending some $285 on a brand new GM one, now I know napa sells one for significantly less if you can find someone willing to special order one in for you. also be very careful with the quick connect/disconnect fitting connecting the master and slave cyl, use hte proper hydraulic line disconnect tool or run the risk of screwing up the plastic retainer that snaps it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 Yeah the 3.4 DOHC is the only motor they ever put the 284 on, and the 284 is the only manual tranny you could get with the 3.4 DOHC. The 282 came with the 3.1's 2.8's and some quad 4's, they also put the 282's in the j-bodies, my DD is a 90 Z24 Cavalier with a 3.1 and 282, thought they have different mounts and won't interchange. While very rare, they also put the 282's in corsicas and berettas with a v6 in them, I've seen only 2 3.1 5 speed corsicas, and 2 or 3 beretta's. I did find a slave cylinder without the actuator at advance in another town for $67 (I asked her 4 times if it was the right one and not for the 3.1 etc.), but like "White93Z34" was saying you don't want to seperate them. I'm pretty sure the one for $190 comes with the actuator. Nope, you still haven't seen one, the 5-spd's a coupe. I'd love to have a convertible with a 3.4 and the 284, but I've never seen one, some day I'll find a nice vert and drop a 284 in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j_mezz Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 I've got everything I need to build up a 2.8\282 94 vert except the time (and probably the knowledge) to do it. It would probably be underpowered but if I can run it through the gears with the top down I'd be a happy dude! And LOL on the pain...in the wallet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted June 6, 2008 Report Share Posted June 6, 2008 as long as your going that route, turbo 3400 282 vert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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