dohc v6 Posted June 3, 2008 Report Posted June 3, 2008 Hey guys, we have started the design of the koni struts. It will include the front and rear struts, along with the custom made back hosuing and what not, look at spending around $1000 total. This will give you total ride comfort. Anyone interested?? The $1000 includes shipping, and everything needed to bolt onto the car. Mark Quote
Q-Ball Posted June 3, 2008 Report Posted June 3, 2008 Are these just the struts? Or are do these come with coil overs? Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Posted June 3, 2008 Nope just struts, I can so them maybe a little cheaper. Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Posted June 3, 2008 Well it looks like for the fronts were looking at $450 shipped. Bolt in. Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 3, 2008 Author Report Posted June 3, 2008 Well guys, I called Koni, $210 each bolt in front cartridges. 5 way adjustable. lee at Held wanted $500, I am much cheaper. i am going to develop the rears next. First I want to complete the brake project 100% first. Mark Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 So is Koni making these or are you modifying struts from another type of vehicle? I don't get whats happening... Jamie Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 4, 2008 Author Report Posted June 4, 2008 The guy at Koni helped me find a drop in cartridge that is 98% exactly the same in the front. It might need a very little modification, but it will be like a spacer or something, no cutting or what not. The backs are a different story. The fronts are race shocks, supposedly very good. Quote
mra32 Posted June 4, 2008 Report Posted June 4, 2008 So are you spec'ing out these shocks based on the koni name and the physical dimensions only? Or do you have a dyno sheet youre going off of or something similar? Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 6, 2008 Author Report Posted June 6, 2008 Huu, I am buying koni shocks, actually already did and mounting them in the stock housings. Actually the fronts dont even have to be modified, you just need a spacer. The shocks go for $200 each up front they are race shocks 5 way adjustable. You will need a spacer for the fronts but I will include that in the $475 for the fronts. The rears we are still developing and will be compression and rebounding adjustable. they will be around $650 for the set. Quote
mra32 Posted June 6, 2008 Report Posted June 6, 2008 I'll ask in a different way... How would one know that these are the right shocks for the job? It may physically fit, but it could have damping properties way out of line with what we need for our car. Are these for stock suspension or lowered? I'm not being a dick, but I need to be convinced that shelling out a grand for suspension parts has at least a little thought behind it. Usually suspensions are built by spec'ing out the damper first, but I realize we dont have that luxury here. What you can do is take into consideration sprung and unsprung mass, CG, roll centers, spring rates, and a few other relatively minor factors if you felt it necessary. Just please tell me you thought about this before buying $200 shocks Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 I'll ask in a different way... How would one know that these are the right shocks for the job? It may physically fit, but it could have damping properties way out of line with what we need for our car. Are these for stock suspension or lowered? I'm not being a dick, but I need to be convinced that shelling out a grand for suspension parts has at least a little thought behind it. Usually suspensions are built by spec'ing out the damper first, but I realize we dont have that luxury here. What you can do is take into consideration sprung and unsprung mass, CG, roll centers, spring rates, and a few other relatively minor factors if you felt it necessary. Just please tell me you thought about this before buying $200 shocks I like his way of thinking and agree with everything he has said. And I also have absolutely no idea how one would go about figuring out that stuff... My only concern is the modifying of the rear strut. What do you plan to do to modify it? By cutting or welding on the body at all you will heat up and destroy the internals of the strut assembly. Now something you might be able to do, is take a stock strut set up and hollow it out so that you could use inserts much like you have for the front end. Then you wouldn't be risking the integrity of the shock, only making a custom mount for it. And it would be a mount comparable to the one on the front of the car, and no one would have to further modify it to install coil overs if they wanted. Jamie Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Posted June 7, 2008 For knowing if these shocks will work, well I am leaving that up to the man at koni that has picked them up for me. If you dont trust them for picking the shocks, well then theres a problem. I gave him the old parts numbers and he got the specs and told me what shocks would work. As for modifing the rear shock housings, they told me to do this, and its also been know that they do this all the time, I had to do it to my sunfire. mark Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Posted June 7, 2008 If you dont believe me, call koni and talk to stoney. Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 So wouldn't it be easier for you just to do a write up on how to do it and what products to buy? Unless of course your just looking to turn a profit, which I highly doubt because the profit margin on the fronts wouldn't even be worth the hassle. Just a thought Jamie Quote
Venom Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 Man that is A LOT of money for just shocks, I know they are probably worth it but damn. Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 Man that is A LOT of money for just shocks, I know they are probably worth it but damn. They aren't "just shocks", Koni's put anything that IS available for our cars to shame... imagine not only having adjustable coil overs but having adjustable struts as well, the possibilities would be endless! Jamie Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 7, 2008 Author Report Posted June 7, 2008 Maybe I will just do that. YOu will still need parts to adapt it. I will think about it. M Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 7, 2008 Report Posted June 7, 2008 You could make it an option to either DIY or buy from you. Not all people have the access to the services you do, or the ability to do them on their own... I'm really interested to see where this goes... If I do this, it won't be for a couple years, I just bought KYBs, and when I finish school I would really like to move on up to a V8 RWD car... But we shall see... Jamie Quote
mra32 Posted June 9, 2008 Report Posted June 9, 2008 If you dont believe me, call koni and talk to stoney. Ease up, I beleive you, youd have no reason to lie or cut corners, but I talk to like 5 salesmen a day trying to get information about their products and its pretty clear that all they want to do is sell you something. On what premises did you have "stoney from koni" (lullz) spec out a replacement? I realize what you did was probably just ask what would fit our cars, but when you want certain things (like a shock that will perform very well for our cars) you have to ask for them, most times they wont be included. Now what makes shocks perform well or not depend on the factors that I mentioned above...and lots of other even more ridiculous things. What is very important is if this shock is for lowered or stock suspensions. Lowered cars have stiffer spring rates and a shock needs to be able to handle these. This is what makes shocks fail on our lowered cars. With all that said about those front cartridges...weren't there shocks available for the rears not to long ago before they were discontinued? Quote
CSI_MuNkY Posted June 9, 2008 Report Posted June 9, 2008 With all that said about those front cartridges...weren't there shocks available for the rears not to long ago before they were discontinued? Yeah I don't see why we're not just after Koni to do another run.... Jamie Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Posted June 9, 2008 They wont do it unless they have alot of people paying upfront. Probably like 100 people, I dont think that many on here are willing to drop 1000$ on shocks. M Quote
GP4U2NV Posted June 23, 2008 Report Posted June 23, 2008 I am interested in a set for the front of my 93 GP what will be the cost complete? Quote
dohc v6 Posted June 25, 2008 Author Report Posted June 25, 2008 Check these out guys. Just got them welded. These are for the rear, mounts to the konis, the fronts are done and the rear housing are getting machined this week. M I will post a pic of the shock. Quote
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