GnatGoSplat Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 I wonder how much fabrication would be required to make this work... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian89gp Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 WTF, is that a 4t65? Figure out what to do with the steering rack and take some space from the passenger side floorboard/firewall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted July 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Yep, 4T65-E. This is the t-case used in the Aztek and Rendezvous, those have R&P steering as well. I'm not sure if our rack is too low in relation to this t-case or not. A chunk of the subframe rear crossmember would definitely need to be cut out, but I'm not sure how much firewall would actually need cut out. From pics I've seen of the GP G8 setup using this t-case, the output shaft should be dead center and run down the exhaust tunnel. It doesn't need much room because the rear diff is fixed (IRS). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian89gp Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 The rack on ours is just slightly below the axel level of the trans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfahn Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 i dunno, aren't our cars heavy enough as it is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted July 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 i dunno, aren't our cars heavy enough as it is! Weight vs. greatly improved traction and handling. There always has to be compromise somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92turboLE Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Whats the part number, IMMA DO IT!!!!! lolz, actually if it isnt too hard, i really will... lol i might have to look into that, it would be sweet having a 4-door AWD W-body!!!! especially when i get my turbo setup finished... - Justin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomeoZ34 Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 Someone please do this!! That would be awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolt_Crank Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 if you could get this to work, you would eliminate a lot of torque steer too, making it possible to up the power even more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted July 31, 2003 Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 i might have to look into that, it would be sweet having a 4-door AWD W-body!!!! How about a 6000? I'd love to have an awd, either a 6000 or the parts from a 6000 under my cutlass. I think these cars would be more condusive to an awd conversion than the aztek. Lots of computer controlled BS in the newer trannys. I would think a subframe swap between a 6000 and a W probably wouldn't be so terribly hard, the cars are comperably sized. Fullsize and more pics here. http://www.geezernet.nu/spankey/pix.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted July 31, 2003 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2003 The bad thing about the 6000 AWD parts is... well, you just can't get the parts. Something breaks, and you're up shit creek. Plus, it's only a 3-speed. The 4T65-E isn't a ton more sophisticated than the 4T60-E. It only lacks a vacuum modulator and uses a PWM circuit to regulate fluid pressure. I envision it being possible to build a circuit utilizing a MAP sensor that can translate vacuum into a pulse width signal to drive the electronic fluid pressure circuit. GM has already built a ton more AWD Azteks and Rendezvous than 6000's, so parts are going to be a lot more plentiful for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby1870 Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 I like the idea. I love my friends AWD 91 Mitsubishi 3000GT Twin Turbo VR-4 with a 5spd. Now, hook that transfer case to the Getrag and were in business. Robby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P.Productions Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 wouldn't the exhaust need to be rerouted from the stock location(right down the center of the car? To make room for a drive shaft? this does sound nice thoughe a TGP with lowered suspension all wheel drive would be a force to be reconed with. sounds like a whole lotta work tho.........and is it realy worth all that improved handling but added weighte and a power loss? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike J. Posted August 1, 2003 Report Share Posted August 1, 2003 There is a guy who posts on another TGP site who (I believe) has put the TGP engine the 6000 AWD. I'll try to confirm what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam S. Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 This has already been done. It's a GM prototype called the G8. Had a 350 SBC with the aztec driveline. The only issue you will have is that the drive shaft will not go directly to the back. You will have to mount the rear differential higher than the drive shaft. So there is need for some sort of contraption to bend the driveshaft up as it clears the fuel tank. That's what GM did anyways. I'm sure there is a lot of power loss through those bends but what the hey it's unique. Regards Adam S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeorge Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 I would say go get a Wrecked AWD buick or 6000 and Find a good recipient say....a loaded GTP or a STE.... then try... Or go totaly nuts and Find a wreaked TYPHOON and build a custom cooling set up and a custom hood to clear the motor... you would have to weld in a Hump like from a G body or a B body so that way it would sit low and not up like a Truck....put a roll cage in to retain or strenthen the body.. then you can start Chiping upgrading the turbo, and all that stuff as it was a typhoon.. but If money where a Small option as in you have 20K to play with go with the Typhoon Idea and Kick the Crap out of the Vr4's the R/T tt, and any other rice rocket with less then 100K invested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomeoZ34 Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 LMAO I like option number 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P.Productions Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 This has already been done. It's a GM prototype called the G8. Had a 350 SBC with the aztec driveline. The only issue you will have is that the drive shaft will not go directly to the back. You will have to mount the rear differential higher than the drive shaft. So there is need for some sort of contraption to bend the driveshaft up as it clears the fuel tank. That's what GM did anyways. I'm sure there is a lot of power loss through those bends but what the hey it's unique. Regards Adam S. wouldnt it be much easier to relocate the gastank then to do the drive shaft bend thing your talkin bout? just remove the spare tire slump from the trunck and stuff the largest feul cell possible in its place and just finde a way tomount the whole thing under the floor of the trunck......with the gass door either in the trunk or finde a way to use the factory one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian89gp Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 wouldnt it be much easier to relocate the gastank then to do the drive shaft bend thing your talkin bout? just remove the spare tire slump from the trunck and stuff the largest feul cell possible in its place and just finde a way tomount the whole thing under the floor of the trunck......with the gass door either in the trunk or finde a way to use the factory one. Only problem I see with that is if you ever get rear-ended you run the risk of your car blowing up with a simple 30mph fender bender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 Just get a fuel tank from a 90s T-bird. They have either a deep slot or a hole through the middle for the driveshaft. PITA to work on, but might be the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P.Productions Posted August 2, 2003 Report Share Posted August 2, 2003 wouldnt it be much easier to relocate the gastank then to do the drive shaft bend thing your talkin bout? just remove the spare tire slump from the trunck and stuff the largest feul cell possible in its place and just finde a way tomount the whole thing under the floor of the trunck......with the gass door either in the trunk or finde a way to use the factory one. Only problem I see with that is if you ever get rear-ended you run the risk of your car blowing up with a simple 30mph fender bender. I figured that after i posted it........you could either build a roll cage and expand it into the rear and strengthin the bumber or..................use a hellacopter cell the made of ruber and are bullet proof so they wont explode in a crash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted August 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Just get a fuel tank from a 90s T-bird. They have either a deep slot or a hole through the middle for the driveshaft. PITA to work on, but might be the ticket. I like the idea of a deep slotted fuel tank. I would probably just have a W-body tank custom made with the slot. Working on it wouldn't be a problem if you cut out an access panel in the trunk that allows removing/installing the fuel pump without dropping the tank. I know Saabs have that access panel, and it's awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
god910 Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 How would fuel get from one side to the other? Circle track style? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted August 3, 2003 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 Good question! I've never seen a T-bird tank, but assuming it has a slot, how's it done on a T-bird? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P.Productions Posted August 3, 2003 Report Share Posted August 3, 2003 my mom use to have a T-bird I the feul pump pumps from both sides or somthin like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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