jmoore4294 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I need to replace the front sub-frame on my 95 Cutlass. What I need to know is which ones are interchangeable? Also, is it the same as the "engine cradle"? I'm looking on car-part.com and there are some less than 20 mi from me, also there is a pull-a-part 30 min away and they list engine cradle, but I'm not sure if it's the same. Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Subframe = engine cradle Interchange: 477-3074B B ---------- CUTLASS 91 Front; 6-207 (3.4L) CUTLASS 92-96 Front CUTLASS 97 Front; Supreme GRAND PRIX 91 Front; 6-207 (3.4L) GRAND PRIX 92-96 Front LUMINA CAR 91 Front; 6-207 (3.4L) LUMINA CAR 92-97 Front LUMINA CAR 98-99 Front; w/o taxi 9C6 LUMINA CAR 00-01 Front MONTE CARLO 95-99 Front REGAL 91 Front; 6-191 (3.1L), from VIN 800001 REGAL 92-96 Front; 6-191 (3.1L) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Thanks man. I was hoping you would post first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Anything for a fellow 'vert owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 BUMP!! Went to a junkyard today, found some that are in good shape. No rust, seem to not be bent. 2 question: Does it HAVE to be from a car with the 3.4 and 4t60e tranny. Second, can anyone recommend a good coating for it? Like a rubberized coating or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted April 24, 2008 Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 No, it can be from a 3.1/3100 car...And POR15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2008 Sweet. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 Going back to pick one up on my day off next week. It's from a 1997 Cutlass Supreme. 4 door i believe. Not the 3.4. Not sure what engine it was gone. I know I sound like a broken record, I just wanna get it straight. It'll fit my 95 right? And the engine and tranny mounts will be in the right place? Also will the control arms from said 97 work with my 95? From my quick glance, they were in good shape. Thanks. Again sorry for the broken record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted April 26, 2008 Report Share Posted April 26, 2008 It will work just fine according to the interchange... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 BUMP!! Went to a junkyard today, found some that are in good shape. No rust, seem to not be bent. 2 question: Does it HAVE to be from a car with the 3.4 and 4t60e tranny. Second, can anyone recommend a good coating for it? Like a rubberized coating or something. No, it doesn't have to be from a 3.4 car, but you do need to ensure that it has the provisions for the rear engine mount. They all started shipping with it in mid-1991. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 So it's safe to assume a frame from a 97 will have it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Yes, it will... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Bought a "new" frame from the pull a part up the road. Cost me $60. And it's in good shape. No rust. All the bushings look good. Now all I gotta do is find someone to put it in, or ask some of my friends if they have an engine lift or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns87 Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 did they pull it out for you? That's a good deal! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Nope. I pulled it from a 97 Cutlass supreme. Someone had already taken the engine and transmission. I just unbolted it from the car, took the rack off and me and a buddy carried it to the front. Came with control arms and the sway bar and the sub-frame bushings which are in very good condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremerevolution Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Bought a "new" frame from the pull a part up the road. Cost me $60. And it's in good shape. No rust. All the bushings look good. Now all I gotta do is find someone to put it in, or ask some of my friends if they have an engine lift or something. You're lucky you have friends. The local shop charged me $800 to pull my bent subframe and install a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Bought a "new" frame from the pull a part up the road. Cost me $60. And it's in good shape. No rust. All the bushings look good. Now all I gotta do is find someone to put it in, or ask some of my friends if they have an engine lift or something. You're lucky you have friends. The local shop charged me $800 to pull my bent subframe and install a new one. $800?!?!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! How long did it take them? Anyone know what the book says for how many hours it should take? Think 3 people can accomplish it in a weekend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted April 28, 2008 Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 Holy hell, it took 2 of us 3 hours to do one on a Chevy Celebrity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremerevolution Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Bought a "new" frame from the pull a part up the road. Cost me $60. And it's in good shape. No rust. All the bushings look good. Now all I gotta do is find someone to put it in, or ask some of my friends if they have an engine lift or something. You're lucky you have friends. The local shop charged me $800 to pull my bent subframe and install a new one. $800?!?!?!?! HOLY SHIT!!! How long did it take them? Anyone know what the book says for how many hours it should take? Think 3 people can accomplish it in a weekend? It might have been $600, but I know they wrote it down for 6 hours of work, saying they had to pull the engine out. It wasn't pretty. all I know is I paid $1100 to have the whole car repaired after I hit a curb at 15 mph at a 45 degree angle while understeering in heavy rain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I hit a curb at 15 mph at a 45 degree angle while understeering in heavy rain. You and me both man....that is EXACTLY, no joke how I bent mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtremerevolution Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I hit a curb at 15 mph at a 45 degree angle while understeering in heavy rain. You and me both man....that is EXACTLY, no joke how I bent mine. lol, yeah if you can do it yourself, definitely do it yourself, because a shop will charge you quite a bit to pull your engine and replace that subframe. And don't forget to check that lower control arm, because chances are that might also be bent. I was lucky it didn't hit harder than that, because I could have pushed my axle into the differential and screwed that up too. While you're at it, I'd also give it a good paint job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmoore4294 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I've already replaced the lower control arm. It was ABSOLUTELY CRUMPLED!! And are you talking about painting the sub-frame? I don't see why they have to pull the engine. You can just find a crossbeam support and drop the frame, or use an engine lift to support it. That's what I plan on doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 That's what we did on that celebrity. Popped the ball joints, unbolted the mounts thn unbolted the subframe...There's a PS line too on the front on a Cutlass and the PS rack is bolted to the subframe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jmoore4294 Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Thanks man. Yeah, I noticed the power steering lines. I saw how the PS rack was bolted in too, so it should be a fairly easy job for 3 people to tackle. I see that mount on the right for the transmission in your picture, but can you point out where the other two go? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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