Mr_Efficiency Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 I have a 90 GP and i'm swaping it to a 5 speed with parts from an 89 GP but a friend of mine has a 96 monte carlo with the 3100 and was wondering if he could do the same swap? AFAIK there wasnt a 5 speed W after 94, so is this swap possible in a 96 if we swap the hole aluminum plate thing under the dash like you have to do with any 94 or 95 swap. also im worried about the tranny mount, is it the same on a 96? I know somewere around that year the subframe changed and im not sure which one he has. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 search! its been talked about MANY times..... yes you can. You have to deal with wiring issues and tuning issues. and some custom work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Read REDGTP's History. he has done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bake82 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 There was a post about swapping into a 96 lumina. I posted a bunch in it, try to find it. Biggest obstacles are wiring for OBDII and ofcourse geting the aluminum bracket mounted in the dash for the steering column and I think you need to drill/tap new holes for the different steering columns, but I'm not 100% sure on that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern8tion9l Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottster Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced The cost involved with that would be like throwing money out the window...all of the R&D and production of the parts just so a few enthusiast can row through the gears? So few people want a manual, the auto companies are just following what the public demands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern8tion9l Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 yes that is main problem, people are too damn lazy to learn how to drive it. back in the day it was auto that was the option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced The cost involved with that would be like throwing money out the window...all of the R&D and production of the parts just so a few enthusiast can row through the gears? So few people want a manual, the auto companies are just following what the public demands. Well that is the explanation Detroit gives, but Japanese automakers offer manual transmissions on almost every model they produce and manage to make money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangeStang Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 I am going to keep an eye on this post as I want to do a 5 speed swap in my 95 Grand Prix se. Let us all know how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottster Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced The cost involved with that would be like throwing money out the window...all of the R&D and production of the parts just so a few enthusiast can row through the gears? So few people want a manual, the auto companies are just following what the public demands. Well that is the explanation Detroit gives, but Japanese automakers offer manual transmissions on almost every model they produce and manage to make money. But the Japs offer their cars in other markets where there is demand for manuals, like europe...where as the americans do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced The cost involved with that would be like throwing money out the window...all of the R&D and production of the parts just so a few enthusiast can row through the gears? So few people want a manual, the auto companies are just following what the public demands. Well that is the explanation Detroit gives, but Japanese automakers offer manual transmissions on almost every model they produce and manage to make money. But the Japs offer their cars in other markets where there is demand for manuals, like europe...where as the americans do not. Are you kidding me? Ford of Europe is HUGE (remember the Focus was an extremely successful European car brought to America), and the Opel Astra (owned by GM, and the same car as the Saturn Astra) was the best selling car in Europe in 2006. Like I said, offering manual transmissions cannot be a money-loosing move if Japanese automakers can make BILLIONS while offering manual transmissions on nearly every model they produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted February 17, 2008 Report Share Posted February 17, 2008 Kevin.....you are 100% correct in every post that you make, every thread that you post in should automatically be locked the instant that you push the "Post" button because doing so would eliminate the constant mis-information and invalid opinions that come before or after your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scottster Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 they should just make manual tranny an option in every single car produced The cost involved with that would be like throwing money out the window...all of the R&D and production of the parts just so a few enthusiast can row through the gears? So few people want a manual, the auto companies are just following what the public demands. Well that is the explanation Detroit gives, but Japanese automakers offer manual transmissions on almost every model they produce and manage to make money. But the Japs offer their cars in other markets where there is demand for manuals, like europe...where as the americans do not. Are you kidding me? Ford of Europe is HUGE (remember the Focus was an extremely successful European car brought to America), and the Opel Astra (owned by GM, and the same car as the Saturn Astra) was the best selling car in Europe in 2006. Like I said, offering manual transmissions cannot be a money-loosing move if Japanese automakers can make BILLIONS while offering manual transmissions on nearly every model they produce. Well no I wasn't kidding you...the two examples you provide are both cars that were designed and engineered IN and FOR foreign markets. The sales volume of manual transaxles in those markets allows for those manual trans cars to be offered in north america as such. Ford of Europe is almost a seperate company from the Fomoco boys in Dearborn...as is Opel, dispite being under the GM umbrella. A car designed WITHIN america, for the north american market will not be given much consideration for a standard trans unless the buying habits of consumers here sway from their current demand of automatics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Kevin.....you are 100% correct in every post that you make, every thread that you post in should automatically be locked the instant that you push the "Post" button because doing so would eliminate the constant mis-information and invalid opinions that come before or after your posts Thank you Jeremy. Bullshit like this is one of the reasons why I will NOT be attending the upcoming Michigan meet. Well no I wasn't kidding you...the two examples you provide are both cars that were designed and engineered IN and FOR foreign markets. The sales volume of manual transaxles in those markets allows for those manual trans cars to be offered in north america as such. Ford of Europe is almost a seperate company from the Fomoco boys in Dearborn...as is Opel, dispite being under the GM umbrella. A car designed WITHIN america, for the north american market will not be given much consideration for a standard trans unless the buying habits of consumers here sway from their current demand of automatics. North America is the PRIMARY market for the Accord/Camry yet both offer manual transmissions. Both of these cars are larger than most cars in Japan and Europe. Larger cars are extremely unpopular in both countries because of the high cost of gas. Like I said earlier, the best-selling car in Europe in 2006 was the Opel Astra, a compact. I am unaware of an American pickup truck that doesn't offer a manual transmission as standard equipment. Now I have never been blessed with the opportunity to visit Europe but I think its safe to assume there isn't a whole lot of pickup trucks on European roads, leading me to believe that pickup trucks are designed primarily for American consumption. Also, a pickup truck's intended purpose is to tow/haul heavy loads and to perform well in rugged terrain. Automatic transmissions are a MUCH better choice for both of these tasks. This is interesting because manual transmissions are standard equipment on these vehicles. All of these FACTS lead me to believe me that American cars being produced without manual transmissions is caused by cheap management that doesn't want to pay their engineering staff to develop parts and procedures to adapt manual transmissions to a particular car. American management doesn't believe a particular option is worth offering on a particular car if a certain % of buyers don't purchase that option. This is flawed logic as the Japanese have showed, over and over again. Can I buy a Taurus/Impala with a manual transmission? No, but the Accord and Camry both offer manual transmissions. Can I buy a Taurus/Impala coupe? (The Monte Carlo doesn't count as production is scheduled to end) No, but the Accord and Camry are both offered as coupes (Camry coupe is an Avalon). Can I buy a Taurus/Impala with a 4 cylinder engine? No, but the Accord/Camry both offer 4 cylinder engines. I personally view 4 cylinder engines as a step-down, but some people prefer 4 cylinder engines due to their lower fuel and ownership costs, and their different driving dynamics. Let's remember that the Accord/Camry are REGULARLY the best selling cars in America. They manage to outsell every other car. Once again, they offer major options and variants that Detroit deems as "money-losing" yet manage to be the best selling cars in America. Anyways, that's it. I am done with this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOT2B GM Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Kevin.....you are 100% correct in every post that you make, every thread that you post in should automatically be locked the instant that you push the "Post" button because doing so would eliminate the constant mis-information and invalid opinions that come before or after your posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottster Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Kevin.....you are 100% correct in every post that you make, every thread that you post in should automatically be locked the instant that you push the "Post" button because doing so would eliminate the constant mis-information and invalid opinions that come before or after your posts Thank you Jeremy. Bullshit like this is one of the reasons why I will NOT be attending the upcoming Michigan meet. Well no I wasn't kidding you...the two examples you provide are both cars that were designed and engineered IN and FOR foreign markets. The sales volume of manual transaxles in those markets allows for those manual trans cars to be offered in north america as such. Ford of Europe is almost a seperate company from the Fomoco boys in Dearborn...as is Opel, dispite being under the GM umbrella. A car designed WITHIN america, for the north american market will not be given much consideration for a standard trans unless the buying habits of consumers here sway from their current demand of automatics. North America is the PRIMARY market for the Accord/Camry yet both offer manual transmissions. Both of these cars are larger than most cars in Japan and Europe. Larger cars are extremely unpopular in both countries because of the high cost of gas. Like I said earlier, the best-selling car in Europe in 2006 was the Opel Astra, a compact. I am unaware of an American pickup truck that doesn't offer a manual transmission as standard equipment. Now I have never been blessed with the opportunity to visit Europe but I think its safe to assume there isn't a whole lot of pickup trucks on European roads, leading me to believe that pickup trucks are designed primarily for American consumption. Also, a pickup truck's intended purpose is to tow/haul heavy loads and to perform well in rugged terrain. Automatic transmissions are a MUCH better choice for both of these tasks. This is interesting because manual transmissions are standard equipment on these vehicles. All of these FACTS lead me to believe me that American cars being produced without manual transmissions is caused by cheap management that doesn't want to pay their engineering staff to develop parts and procedures to adapt manual transmissions to a particular car. American management doesn't believe a particular option is worth offering on a particular car if a certain % of buyers don't purchase that option. This is flawed logic as the Japanese have showed, over and over again. Can I buy a Taurus/Impala with a manual transmission? No, but the Accord and Camry both offer manual transmissions. Can I buy a Taurus/Impala coupe? (The Monte Carlo doesn't count as production is scheduled to end) No, but the Accord and Camry are both offered as coupes (Camry coupe is an Avalon). Can I buy a Taurus/Impala with a 4 cylinder engine? No, but the Accord/Camry both offer 4 cylinder engines. I personally view 4 cylinder engines as a step-down, but some people prefer 4 cylinder engines due to their lower fuel and ownership costs, and their different driving dynamics. Let's remember that the Accord/Camry are REGULARLY the best selling cars in America. They manage to outsell every other car. Once again, they offer major options and variants that Detroit deems as "money-losing" yet manage to be the best selling cars in America. Anyways, that's it. I am done with this thread. Regardless of whether you have more clout around here than me, I won't have my oppinion called "Bullshit" buddy. I was simply responding to the initial statement that manuals should be offered in all cars. I didn't intend to get into WW3 here. As for your facts, the new GMT 900 platform, which underpins their full size pickups was engineered without the offering of a manual transmission. Again, regarding your example of taurus/impala...those cars are not offered in other markets where a manual trans is desired. Accord/Camry ARE. I dont have time for this either...truce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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