New Wheels, New Tires ... possible issue

[Stevo]

Last night I picked up 4 brand new winter tires and steel rims for the GTP. I paid for them and drove the car home but this morning noticed something somewhat disturbing.

 

 

To have 4 new rims with 4 new tires and have such a huge weight on one is pretty disturbing. The weight is nearly 3 times the average off. Of course the place where I had it done was pretty busy so I can only think that they had the issue and didn't try to rectify it and pushed it through. Their response is "does the car drive right?" well yes but all work can either be 'unfinished, finished or finished right' I think it's the middle in this case.

 

The rim with the 2 and .75 wieght on it seems to have a serious issue.

 

What say you guys?

[19Cutlass94]

Whats this serious issue? I dont see a problem with those weights being on there, since they are there to balance the wheel. If it drives fine dont worry about it.

[Euro]

I have double the weights on one of my wheels. My car rides fine. I just leave it alone.

[alphagtp]

it might also be a bad tire, I just to have like 4 different weights on one wheel, I thought it was the wheel, but It was riding ok so I didn't mind, then I bought a different tire and they balanced it again and this time they only used one weight, the shop said that the old tire was the problem, not the rim. I'm not a 100% sure about this, just sharing my experience...

[Andrew]

If it drives fine dont worry about it.

x2

[1990lumina]

x6..don't worry about it.

 

You could break the bead and spin the tire on the rim 180degrees and rebalance..may help, may not. If it doesn't shake on the highway don't worry about it.

 

it might also be a bad tire, I just to have like 4 different weights on one wheel, I thought it was the wheel, but It was riding ok so I didn't mind, then I bought a different tire and they balanced it again and this time they only used one weight, the shop said that the old tire was the problem, not the rim. I'm not a 100% sure about this, just sharing my experience...

 

If these weighs were all around the wheel (spread out) whoever balanced it the first time didn't know wtf they were doing.

[Chancho]

Wheel weights are designed to ballance a wheel, if there is a ballance plate or what ever the hell they are called made that size then its obviously needed for that wheel and has been needed for wheels in the past

[Stevo]

But a new tire on a new wheel? The weights go that high to balance a wheel for a reason. The tire has issues or the rim has a defect which could be damage to unbalancing spot welds during manufacture.

 

To have 1 wheel that far out from the rest is rather disturbing. I'm betting it's the steel rim since these are Michelin tires which were expensive for a reason.

[19Cutlass94]

then return it and get a fucking new one....

 

All the Michelin tires that I have had, have NEVER had more than a .50 weight on them. My dads K5 we just put brand new Michelins on them and they did not use more than a .75.

 

I dont know why your making such a big deal out of this when it is nothing. I mean are you looking for things to complain about?

[Psych0matt]

they are, after all, steelies, not 077s

[Stevo]

I dont know why your making such a big deal out of this when it is nothing. I mean are you looking for things to complain about?

 

Nope ... just used to getting screwed over/ripped off I guess. After a while you see it as standard practice of all businesses.

[19Cutlass94]

I dont know why your making such a big deal out of this when it is nothing. I mean are you looking for things to complain about?

 

Nope ... just used to getting screwed over/ripped off I guess. After a while you see it as standard practice of all businesses.

 

How did you get screwed over on this? because one steel wheel wasnt as balanced to your perfections? The place that balanced those did a good job. Its not their fault that one wheel was perfect. This is just the way it is. your attitude is pretty shitty about it though

[Stevo]

read above, your asking the same question.

 

I merely asked is this normal for weights to be this far out? I went back yesterday to ask about it and was not confrontational at all. I did remember seeing a thread somewhere on here about someone who bought rims from another forum member (could have been a link to another forum) and one of the wheels looked like it took a dead drop and had a huge weight on it. The member that bought it brought it up and the seller said they were fine.

 

I was thinking about the size of the weight on the rim. That and the fact that I have never had weights that large on a wheel before. The other thing was that a new wheel and tire having that much difference? I can see .25-.50 maybe but 2.0 or 3x the weights.

 

Thats all I asked about. I try to do all the work myself but somethings I just can't do. Too many garages have screwed up things on vehicles I have owned more than they have fixed. From being charged for a new signal switch and the original is still inside the column to power steering lines blowing off after leaving the shop to just plain cross threaded bolts. I'm not saying I am an expert at all that can be done by no means, which is why I ask these questions. I do work when I can because believe it or not I have patience to do it. Shops don't they want to make money so they charge labour and enforce it.

[19Cutlass94]

yes it is normal to have a weight that big. rims and tires are not perfectly balanced, thats why you need the wheel wights to balance them when they are together. Like it said, this is NOT a big deal at all. Which is why I said your making a big deal out of nothing/looking for something. Some rims/tires are more balanced than others and it can come down to the simple fact of the position of the tire on the rim... its not a big deal at all, and shouldnt need any futher discussion.

 

 

As for the shops that did that to you, you should have done something about it and I hope you did. Or else your a complete moron if you did nothing.

[Addicted to eaton]

i have had perfect rims that were really old. then i have had brand new rims that were bent to shit!

[mra32]

I know that on motorcycles, when you find that you are adding a good amount of weight to one part of the rim, it is good practice to deflate the tire and spin it around the rim 180 degrees and start the balancing process again. I am not to familiar with car tires and I'm not even sure that this is possible. It would be smart to do though.

[Stevo]

I got a message on how this situation can happen.

 

The seam of the tire and the seam of the rim if lined up can throw out a wheel enough that the weights will differ to a point. Anything over 4 weight is a sign of a bad tire or rim. A 2.75 is not enough to be concerned unless the 2 weight comes off which would be enough to cause vibration.

 

Armed with that, I drove out to where I got them installed and talked to the guy who sold me them. He asked if I wanted anything done and I said no and explained what was explained to me. Usually you can judge the seams but when your busy and have a shit load of cars to do, you sometimes don't bother checking unless it's a bad balance which comes up quick.

[Stevo]

As for the shops that did that to you, you should have done something about it and I hope you did. Or else your a complete moron if you did nothing.

 

Somethings when you find out later are pointless to go back and do something about because so much time has passed. Some seem to happen at the wrong time. Like going to work the next day and while in traffic you feel like your driving a tractor at which time you pick up the phone and tell them they need to get their ass down there with a tow truck and fix what was intended like torquing down bolts which were most likely finger tightened.

 

The worst thing I think I have ever done was bought a car that I wasn't allowed to test drive and only ran for 20minutes. I took the bullet on that one and I waved bye bye to $800 and told the auction house about what the seller knew about the car. They did jack shit about it because they don't care and instead of pushing it or even asking for my money back, I cut my losses and pretty much told everyone I knew about it who were interested in buying a car there.

[rockfangd]

my point is it is better to be safe than sorry , because almost all of the garages i have worked for have very bd calibration on their balancers.. so it can be a hit or miss. Good luck to you

[synistershadows]

take it from a guy in the tire and wheel business this is completely normal no rims are ever perfect and the fact that the wheel has that much weight on it is purly for the fact of balancing them out and as long as it is balanced then the job has been done right. And if that wheel that happens to have all this weight on it is in the passenger rear position then for sure the job has been done right as the wheel weighting should go from least weight to heavyest weight LF RF LR RR