gpchris Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 I’m been considering thowing a 6speed in. I know we have the clutch and axel problems but I’m willing to work them out. Do you think it would be worth it? The tranny itself does it seem alright? Think can it handle about 400hp? Or what about a 282 theres one at a local yard but how would I be able to get it to handle the power? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 first, what 6-speed are yout alking about? second, what do you drive that makes 400hp ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted September 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 the g6 6speed, are there any others?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 someone here tried it, i'm pissed i can't think of his name... i think what was decided, besides the pain in the ass because of the shit-ton of work that needs to be done: -the power rating was lower than that of the 282/284 (or at least it hadn't been put to the test; at the time, they were brand new) -there's really no point except for the "I have 6 gears" ego factor. it's probably just a second, long overdrive, i.e. useless for performance/top speed, so unless you care THAT much about gas mileage, it's not going to help you any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 brianteel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted September 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 someone here tried it, i'm pissed i can't think of his name... i think what was decided, besides the pain in the ass because of the shit-ton of work that needs to be done: -the power rating was lower than that of the 282/284 (or at least it hadn't been put to the test; at the time, they were brand new) -there's really no point except for the "I have 6 gears" ego factor. it's probably just a second, long overdrive, i.e. useless for performance/top speed, so unless you care THAT much about gas mileage, it's not going to help you any. I mainly just wanted to do it to be original. But I've only been considering the idea. What about the 282? How could I make it withstand alot of power?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Quick question that is semi- on topic.... What exactly are the differences between the 282 and the 284? I know the 282's were on the 2.8/3.1's and the 284's were on the LQ1's. But what exactly are the differences? Are they geared any differently- one geared taller than the other, different gear ratios, is one stronger than the other, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 The 6spd is heavier than the 5spd, and the gears are MUCH farther apart. Id go with the 282. You can make it handle more power by fixing the weak spots in it and also by adding an LSD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meltboy1 Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 I didn't know there was any 6 speed that would bolt up to the 2.8/3.1/3.4... but honestly, with what a GP produces, you don't need a 6 speed, I had one in my old formula, and it was nice, but I just don't see it making any sense on a 3.4... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Quick question that is semi- on topic.... What exactly are the differences between the 282 and the 284? I know the 282's were on the 2.8/3.1's and the 284's were on the LQ1's. But what exactly are the differences? Are they geared any differently- one geared taller than the other, different gear ratios, is one stronger than the other, etc? the 284 is a 'heavy duty' version of the 282. gear ratios you ask? 284 3.46 2.28 1.48 1.09 0.72 3.67 282 3.77 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.61 i dont know that brian ever confirmed of denied if the 6-speed would bolt up to the 60 deg V6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Quick question that is semi- on topic.... What exactly are the differences between the 282 and the 284? I know the 282's were on the 2.8/3.1's and the 284's were on the LQ1's. But what exactly are the differences? Are they geared any differently- one geared taller than the other, different gear ratios, is one stronger than the other, etc? the 284 is a 'heavy duty' version of the 282. gear ratios you ask? 284 3.46 2.28 1.48 1.09 0.72 3.67 282 3.77 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.61 i dont know that brian ever confirmed of denied if the 6-speed would bolt up to the 60 deg V6. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 282's rev quite a bit on the freeway for being an overdrive trans, so the 6-speed would for sure be an improvement. hell, anything is an improvement over a 282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 How do the 284s do on the freeway- do they rev high too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 V6 Getrag 282 All years J,L and W body 1st 3.50 2nd 2.05 3rd 1.38 4th 0.94 5th 0.72 FDR 3.61 HM 284 W body (all) 1st...3.46 2nd...2.28 3rd...1.48 4th...1.09 5th...0.72 FDR...3.67 source: 60degreev6.com weird.. they're a lot closer than I remember. anyway, according to those numbers, the 284 would actually rev higher, but not by much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 i dont know that brian ever confirmed of denied if the 6-speed would bolt up to the 60 deg V6. It uses the standard GM small corporate/METRIC bellhousing. I don't see why it wouldn't. It was designed to bolt up to the 3900, which is a 60º/HV motor itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 does anyone have the ratios for the 6 speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 2006 F40 (MT2) Type: transverse front wheel drive, six speed manual transaxle Engine range: 3.9L Maximum engine torque: 245 lb-ft ( 333 Nm ) Maximum gearbox torque: 295 lb-ft ( 400 Nm ) Gear ratios: MT2 First: 3.77 Second: 2.04 Third: 1.32 Fourth: 0.95 Fifth: 0.76 Sixth: 0.62 Reverse: 3.54 Final Drive 3.55 Maximum validated gross vehicle weight: 3527 lb ( 1600 kg ) Case material: aluminum Center distance: 197 mm Fluid type: Castrol BOT 0063 Transmission weight: 56 kg ( 123.5 lb ) Fluid capacity (approximate): 3.1L / 3.27 qt ( dry ) Power take off: no Applications: Pontiac G6 http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/059254-7.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 2006 F40 (MT2) 1st: 3.77 13.38 2nd: 2.04 7.24 3rd: 1.32 5.67 4th: 0.95 3.37 5th: 0.76 2.70 6th: 0.62 2.20 Reverse: 3.54 Final Drive 3.55 V6 Getrag 282 All years J,L and W body 1st 3.50 12.64 2nd 2.05 7.40 3rd 1.38 4.98 4th 0.94 3.39 5th 0.72 2.60 FDR 3.61 HM 284 W body (all) 1st...3.46 12.70 2nd...2.28 8.37 3rd...1.48 5.43 4th...1.09 4.00 5th...0.72 2.64 FDR...3.67 This mean a Lower low gear and a Higher high gear with the 6!!!! I want a 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Isn't this tranny also used in Saabs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted September 10, 2007 Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 yes, but with different ratios, or at least a different FDR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 V6 Getrag 282 All years J,L and W body 1st 3.50 2nd 2.05 3rd 1.38 4th 0.94 5th 0.72 FDR 3.61 source: 60degreev6.com no, that is not right. here's a breakdown of the 282 89 Quad HO 282 3.50 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.72 3.61 90 Quad HO 282 3.50 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.61 91 Quad HO 282 3.77 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.61 92-94 Quad HO 282 3.50 2.05 1.38 1.03 0.72 3.94 91-93 W41 3.50 2.05 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.94 J/L V6 282 3.50 2.05 1.38 0.94 0.72 3.61 W V6 282 3.77 2.19 1.38 1.03 0.81 3.61 Source: One of our very own!! Canada(he hasnt posted in a while) http://www.bstuff.com/index.php?s=4bdc63d4fcbd89c56ed3fea2aaf797df&showtopic=45488 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 may want to forward that to ben then. I guess 3.77 sounds about right. I had to shift out of 1st at like 10 mph in the STE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 The 6spd is heavier than the 5spd, and the gears are MUCH farther apart. Id go with the 282. You can make it handle more power by fixing the weak spots in it and also by adding an LSD. my thoughts exactly. if my 284 goes bad, im not going to try to find another one, im going to build a 282 i dont know that brian ever confirmed of denied if the 6-speed would bolt up to the 60 deg V6. It uses the standard GM small corporate/METRIC bellhousing. I don't see why it wouldn't. It was designed to bolt up to the 3900, which is a 60º/HV motor itself. yep, itll bolt up to the bellhousing just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addicted To Boost Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 Bringing back a 2 month old thread, but how much does a 6 speed weigh compared to a 282? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 "Transmission weight: 56 kg ( 123.5 lb )" The 282 isn't too far off from there. Certainly couldn't be any heavier, considering my weak ass can lift and move it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miko K Posted November 12, 2007 Report Share Posted November 12, 2007 The 282 is about 100lbs. When you switch from AT to 282, you save 100lbs of more. An instant traction problem for 2 obvious reasons-losing the weight on the front axle and the shorter gears. Also the big heavy bracket of the AT is no longer used- another 5lbs, true the clutch pedal makes up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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