w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Well, I've finally Found an LQ1 for my 91 Cutlass Supreme International 284. I found a 91 motor up by the Twin Cities. It has had new timing belt and components installed and been checked over before he put it in his 95 Monte. I'm going to look at it tomorrow, and drive his monte (it's still in the car), then if everything goes good, he's going to pull it this week, and I'm heading back next weekend to pick it up. I can't wait to drop it in and finnaly drive my International. It might be a month or so before it's on the road, but it will definatley be going soon. I'm going to Ozzfest the weekend after next in East Troy, so I'm going to start working on it every day after work, I only work from 7-3, so I have about 6-7 hours to screw around with it each day. I'm going to have to run to the J/Y and find a non ABS master/booster, I'll also need a slave cylinder for my clutch, and some new shift cables, and she'll be on the road. I was wondering about the clutch, but after checking on some prices I'm going to keep the one that's in there for now depending on how it looks, It does feel very strong, so it should be good. I also figure after the swap I'll have a better idea of how to pull the motor quickly, so it won't be so bad to replace later on. My questions: Where can I find new shift cables? Will 282 cables work or are they different? Will an automatic booster/mastercylinder fit into a manual car? Has anyone searched for a slave cylinder for these cars? I've found $204-$333, anyone find anything cheaper? Oh yeah and to anyone else going to Ozzfest in East troy, rock the F*&% on!!! :rocking: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 I can't remember if a PMIII/manual firewall plate will need to be changed for a non-ABS booster/master cylinder. Can a PMIII/manual plate accept a manual/vacuum booster, or will I have to change the plate no matter what when switching to a vacuum booster? A manual/vacuum plate will probably not be easy to find, let alone any manual plate. any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Theres no such thing as new shift cables. Unless you mean new from the junkyard. As far as a slave cylinder, lemme look at work tomorrow and see what I can find for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 OK, thanks. Are the cables discontinued? As far as the slave, the cheapest I've found was rockauto $170 for Raybestos, or $187 for AcDelco, but then at the bottom it says $285 for ACDelco pull type? I remember reading somewhere that the 284 uses a pull type setup, but I don't remember for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I duno about the slave cylinder... Im sure someone here that knows the 5spd's better than i do will chime in. One of the cables I know for a fact is discontinued. Last I heard about the other one it was like $200 from GM... I would imagine by now that thats gone too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Yeah, I've found out having such a rare car is not so good. When I call for parts, either the price is ungodly high, or it's discontinued. I think most of my parts are going to either be from somone here that has them laying around, or a scrap yard. PMIII is discontinued, I can get it rebuilt for around $1,000 . That slave cylinder is around $200-$300 most places, the same thing for a 282 is under $50. So, it's rare, nobody makes parts, and if they do, I think I may have to rob a bank just to get them, but I'll soon be driving a 3.4/284 Cutlass, and I wouldn't have it any other way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 the select cable is still available from GM for about $115 the main (larger) shift cable is discontinued and no longer any left. however it is the select cable that always goes bad, rather then the shift cable. just out of curiosity, why pretel would you want to put a crappy non PMIII master cyl in your car, everyone i talk to with a properly functioning PMIII tells me that it stops the car on a dime. if i had it i would go out of my way to fix it. also i sure as hell don't want to swap out a damn firewall plate, that is an insane amount of work. as for the slave cyl, i think i was quoted at $285 from GM for one autozone quoted me $213 advance auto quoted me $205.... however neither of them could actually order it for me. the problem with the 282 stuff is that it does not have an actuator, and the 284 one comes completely bled and ready to use.... i'd imagine if you got an entire 282 setup it might work, however just the slave cyl won't help you.... believe me i've spent 3 weeks trying to make the old junk work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timestalker45 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 hey ur 91 is that a 2 door? and how is the boddy mine a little rough and looking for a better body Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 There are plenty of pics here:http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h72/zkelleybucket/International/?start=all and here: http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h72/zkelleybucket/International%202/ It's in pretty good shape, the dash is warped, the driver's seat is ripped, and the hood is all dented up like somone was jumping around on it, but otherwise it's in good shape, never been in an accident. I got some undercarrige pics a few months ago to see for myself how bad it was, and it's way better than I thought: http://s61.photobucket.com/albums/h72/zkelleybucket/Rustypics/?start=all As far as PMIII, I think I am going to try and fix it first, but I don't have the money to get the pump and motor rebuilt, and I don't want to have to swap the firewall plate, 1 because its alot of work, but 2 is I wouldn't be able to find a 5 speed plate. That's why I was asking if the vacuum booster will mount up to the PMIII plate I have. I've heard good things about the PMIII also if it works, but if it doesn't work I'd rather have plain old breaks than spend almost $1,000 just for that, my time is cheap, and I don't have alot of money. Rockauto has rebuilt units for $490 or something like that, but I think that is still a hell of alot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 the PMIII plate uses a very different mounting point for the brake unit then the vaccum brakes do. now that i've swapped a plate i never want to do it again. post an add here i know someone has to have a good PMIII unit for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timestalker45 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 dont get it, my car the under body still looks brand new but its the rocker panels and quarter panel that rotted, causeing the unibody to rot... life suxs that engine has a nock (the one in ur 91)u can heir it in the video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I mounted a vacuum booster in a car with the PMIII plate. ghetto but it worked. that plate had been removed, in liew of a manual plate. BUt you would need a non abs MTX plate. I can show you more later if you would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Yeah it's got a bad knock, that's why I'm throwing in another LQ1. I doubt I'll be able to find a mtx / vacuum plate. Wasn't there a site or write up on PMIII troubleshooting somewhere? I remember reading about it in a post somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 http://www.kazmotorsports.com/tpsgarage/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted August 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Finally got the motor here, I took some pics while it was out in the sun before I put it away in the dark garage. I'm going to start on this transplant next week if the weather permits it. Here's the donor motor for the International. I'm going to go through it before I put it in and look at timing compnents, replace shit, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOT2B GM Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 Right on! A spare LQ1 is always a handy thing to have. I have one in my garage just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 yes, its a pull type. i got a perfection set from advance (made by zoom, pn MU700451). got mine for 150, but youll probably pay about 190. you can also get a clutch parts at http://www.clutchnet.com (search for lumina) or a dual friction clutch from centerforce you can get a bendix slave if you need just the slave (pn 13145) from advance or napa for like $90 http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=BEN&MfrPartNumber=13145&PartType=236&PTSet=A only place you can buy a throwout bearing separately is from centerforce (pn 900), but its like $250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted August 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 Damn what a bitch it was trying to move an LQ1 on a cherrypicker over dirt/rocks into a dirt floored garage Thanks for the part numbers, I used a perfection kit for my 90 Z24. They're kinda cheap, but I have not had any trouble with my Z24, it has 45,000 miles on it so far. I haven't helped it at all by doing a lot of burnouts, and trying to get it out of mud a couple of times and a field or two, but altogether I'm satisfied with the $106 price. Doesn't the perfection kit come with a throwout bearing for the 284? I've used them in my Z24, ranger, and my friends F-150, and they all came with one. That slave is by far the cheapest one I've seen. I'd like to start the project this weekend, but we're leaving Friday for Ozzfest in East Troy, WI. We're going to Lake Michigan Friday Night, and all day Saturday, then heading to east troy. I'll be on a bus camper with 16 other people, 2 of which have chauffer's license', and a keg. So far 3 of the women have decided they're going to get the full body paint done should be a good weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 sounds like fun. i missed ozzfest in denver. i heard s-x wasnt going to be there so i wasnt going to try to get tix cuz the only other bands i was really interested in were ozzy and in this moment, but they ended up being there yeah, the perfection kit comes w/ a t/o and pilot tool. i havent had it in for long, but it seems good. i am getting a clutch noise, but ive already had it r&r'd 3 times so i didnt wanna do it again and am just going to live with it for now. the centerforce df clutch is cheaper than anything besides maybe clutchnet and perfection from what ive found. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns87 Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 I wish I was closer to all these ongoing projects, I'd come by and help. Good luck with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I wish I was closer to all these ongoing projects, I'd come by and help. Good luck with it! yeah, im itching to do something. i dont have the money to do anything w/ my car right now, so i need to find someone else to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 i'm telling you the 282 slave cyl will not work, i fucked around with trying to get the slave cyl assembly bled for 2-3 weeks and countless hours. it has to be replaced as a unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted August 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 I was wondering if the actuator has to also be replaced, or can I just replace the slave cylinder? Do the actuators go bad quite a bit? Advance has both listed under 3.4. there's just the slave: They also have the slave and actuator: As far as the brakes go, the local GM parts guy let me borrow the 91 grand prix service manual, so I went to the library and made copies of all 31 pages on the powermaster III ABS system. That will help me out until I can find a 91 Cutlass service manual on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 once the slave and actuator have been separated it is imposable to get all the air out of it, plain and simple, once it is opened it is done. don't do what i did and waste 2 weeks and 50+ hours on it. i got my new one, bolted it in, made sure my master cyl was bled good, and hooked it all up and the clutch worked perfect. i called advance and autozone, while both list the part as available neither of them could actually order it, i ended up getting mine from the dealer. and at an incredible cost at that, i got it at discount for $280 but the list is $370. also do you have the proper hydraulic line disconnect tool for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwmin Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 my slave cracked when i was doing my stuff - stupid me - and i just got a new slave and everything was fine. i had both advance and napa order a slave for me. adv ordered the right one but it was boxed wrong so i ordered one from napa and another from advance and they both turned out to be the right ones. so, i guess you might end up w/ the problem he had or might get lucky like me, so its your call if you wanna chance it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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