gpchris Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Well my trannys been getting worse. I got a friend to record me doing some burnouts and it was impossible to do without basically flooring it with the ebrake on. And now only my passenger side wheel spins... After my burn out attempts my tranny was slipping alot in first gear. It’s not my daily car so i don't care but I really would like a tranny that puts all my power to the road. I've lost to neons.. But back to the main subject how hard are the 284s to find? I really don't want to put out the money for another crappy automatic.. Are they like extremely rare or just uncommon? And no I’m not showing these videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 well... our cars were not really inteded to do burnouts. if you are lucky you can do a one wheel blunder! If i was your transmission, I would slip to after you have abused by and burned out my clutches! I have never seen a 284 tranny in a yard. but you should be able to find one somehow... but a 95 will be harder to convert than a 93 down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I've seen 2 284s in yards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Do the '95s have the provisions on the firewall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 yeap....also holes for the shifter brackets and linkage. id say like 95% of everything bolts up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Now this is really sad but heres my full throttle burnout with the ebrake on :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Do the '95s have the provisions on the firewall? No. But moreso the dashboard is the problem. '94+ has no provisions for the clutch pedal. You're definetly looking at some custom work, + a custom chip to run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 you should not have a car if thats what you think of your car! You have to overcome a few issues. 1 front wheel drive. most of the cars weight is on the drive wheels. 2 light ass rear end. no weight to hold your tires to the ground. 3 friction. you need a spray bleach system or something to lubricate your front wheels so they break traction easily. I want you to notice... Your rear wheels were frozen and sliding. good way to flat spot some tires. Where are the vids of the bleech spray burnout by a red GTP? I think redGTP, Our french- Canadian member did this right beofre doing the trans swap to his car. old tires and a soon to be pitched tranny, so why not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hey my 3.1 can make awesome smoking burnouts, The video was demonstrating that the 3.4s tranny was slipping at high rpm. The wheels barely even spun. And even though all the weight is in the front and nothing in the back you should still be able to burn out with the ebrake. You'd have to have a WEAKASS motor to not be able to burn out.. (or in this case a slipping tranny) I would have let off the ebrake but i wanted to demonstrate how it was on the whole time and the car still pulled instead of burning out.. Now if my 3.1 has enough power to overwhelm the wheels and not pull the car forward then the 3.4 should have no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 284s are funny, i guestimate between 91-93 only around 5500 give or take first gen w-bodys had the 284 as their transmission, i am going to be 5 speeding my z34 soon here, and all the parts basically fell into my lap and i wasen't really looking at the time. but in automatic form my z34 can break the tires loose a little bit, but its bad for my 4t60e to be doing that all the time so.... but as far as how hard 284s are to find, just keep an eye out also you will need ALOT of oddbal odds and ends you never even thought of such as: clips to hold the shifter to the floor (different then auto) intermediate shaft bracket firewall plate clutch pedel assembly and more that i cannot think of as far as shifter cables, the larger one is long discontinued the smaller side-to side cable is still avaliabe from GM as of right now, i believe it lists at $160 best if you find a complete parts car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych0matt Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 as much as you may want to put a 5 speed in, don't do it unless you have plenty of time and money, especially for a 284. i would get it rebuilt before even thinking about putting it in, cuz if it goes you'll just have to do it anyways. a lady at work has a 91 or 92 cutlass 3.4 5 speed, kinda beat up but not too abused, and i told her to let me know if she ever decides to sell it. it's pretty base, so i might be able to get it for cheap eventually, and have a new project :twistedevil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms92gpse Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 The wheels barely even spun. And even though all the weight is in the front and nothing in the back you should still be able to burn out with the ebrake. You'd have to have a WEAKASS motor to not be able to burn out.. (or in this case a slipping tranny) I would have let off the ebrake but i wanted to demonstrate how it was on the whole time and the car still pulled instead of burning out.. Now if my 3.1 has enough power to overwhelm the wheels and not pull the car forward then the 3.4 should have no problem. Not really, If you have big enought sticky enough tires and like 2.88 fdr you can can have 400hp engine that will struggle to break a tire loose. My little 125hp accord will rip them loose with the manual trans and the skinny tires, and my old 100hp barely running reliant wagon i use to have would put most v8 Pickups to shame in the burnout department. Burnouts is more of a sign of poor traction then power IMO. Running a sub 14 sec quatermile is more Of a sign of power then big smokie burnouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManicMechanic Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 as much as you may want to put a 5 speed in, don't do it unless you have plenty of time and money, especially for a 284. i would get it rebuilt before even thinking about putting it in, cuz if it goes you'll just have to do it anyways. a lady at work has a 91 or 92 cutlass 3.4 5 speed, kinda beat up but not too abused, and i told her to let me know if she ever decides to sell it. it's pretty base, so i might be able to get it for cheap eventually, and have a new project :twistedevil: And 284s don't have rebuild kits available. You have to SEND them to Getrag to be rebuilt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Exactly as Manic stated, you have to send them out to Getrag. IMO, if I were to ever do a 5 speed swap in a FWD GM vehicle, it would be a 282 for the fact that is is rebuildable, and much less costly. 282's can be built to handle a good amount of power as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 I'm planning on getting alot of power out of my 3.4x, I plan on turboing it and much more. So would the 282 be a better decision?? But wouldn't it be alot harder to make a 282 work with a 3.4? Plus i assume the 282s are alot easier to find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psych0matt Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 how would it be harder to use a 282? theyre essentially the same on the outside. besides there are a lot more 282's, as well as any w-body 282 would bolt right up (aside from your94+ problem). there are plenty of guys running 282s with more than stock power with no problem. if you can find an almost new 284 for extremely cheap, go for it, but i wouldnt pass up a 282 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpchris Posted June 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 ok then one last question (for now) Can i take a 282 from any car or just any w-body? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 W-body only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ismellrealbad Posted June 20, 2007 Report Share Posted June 20, 2007 there was just a thread about somone trying to make a hybrid with j body (or some other GM) internals. cant seem to find edit: here found it http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php/topic,40936.0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGTP Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I have Rebuilt my 284 in a transmission shop near my house, after 2week and 1800$CAN, My Hm-284 was rebuilt, -Change Internal kit diff -Cage complet diff Ass. -Bearing (p/n: LM503349) -Bearing (p/n: LM503310) -4x Bearing Diff -Syncho ring reverse -weld a case (oil leak in a little little hole caused by a scrap bearing) -Machined a diff pin -2x Cardans seal (driver and passenger) -2.5L syncromesh GM oil tranmission -Plus stuff to seal the jouins -Plus Work Time (12hours) and My Burnout when my GTP was automatic with oil and Handbrake (foot brake) lol http://videos.streetfire.net/video/a670b6b5-0b5c-4b64-95bc-cef6d772ae82.htm and I know the handbrake is stupide.. I just make it 2 time ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skalor Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 So far in all of my travels through my local junk yards I've seen 3 284 equipped W-bodies, and only 1 282 equipped W-body. I bought 2 of the 3 284s for less than $50 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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