l67 swap

[digitaloutsider]

If you can't work on the LQ1, you don't need to be swapping an engine, either.

 

Not sure if you said you were planning on the swap, I just wanted to get that out there.

[CSI_MuNkY]

If you can't work on the LQ1, you don't need to be swapping an engine, either.

Whats that supposed to mean? You can't honestly be saying that the LQ1 is as easy to work on as a pushrod engine....

I've got experience working on other engines, thats no problem by far. I just HATE working on the LQ1, and I know other people that feel the same way. Including some of the shops I asked about doing my head gasket job, I actually had shops tell me they would not work on that engine. My only problem with the LQ1 is the timing, I lost count of how many how toos I read when I had to do my head gaskets, I just never got it. No matter how many ways the job was described to me, it didn't make sense, not to mention that I don't think any 2 people told me the same way to do it. I was getting told that everyone else was wrong, and this is how you really do it. And the manuals I bought were as useful as a mesh umbrella. The only thing that I think everyone agreed on was if I screwed it up my engine would be toast.

 

 

back on topic....

how well do the stock trannys that the LQ1 came with hold up to added power? We've all read that website saying how GM had to cut back the LQ1s power because it coudln't build a transmission to handle it. When I say added power I'm not talking about getting it up to 250hp.... I'm talking more than that, because I'm pretty sure a base L67 is in the neighborhood of 250 is it not? And I know there are L67s out there built up to over 500hp, and they clearly still have functioning trannys. I know the stock 4T60E can take 250, GM built a 250 hp, LQ1 equiped monte in 1995, granted it was not a civilian model.

 

I'm not denying that the LQ1 has potentail, even though there is a lack of aftermarket for it. I'm just of the opinion that I think the L67 has a lot more potentail.

 

Jamie

[gp90se]

100 shot

[digitaloutsider]

If you can't work on the LQ1, you don't need to be swapping an engine, either.

Whats that supposed to mean? You can't honestly be saying that the LQ1 is as easy to work on as a pushrod engine....

I've got experience working on other engines, thats no problem by far. I just HATE working on the LQ1, and I know other people that feel the same way. Including some of the shops I asked about doing my head gasket job, I actually had shops tell me they would not work on that engine. My only problem with the LQ1 is the timing, I lost count of how many how toos I read when I had to do my head gaskets, I just never got it. No matter how many ways the job was described to me, it didn't make sense, not to mention that I don't think any 2 people told me the same way to do it. I was getting told that everyone else was wrong, and this is how you really do it. And the manuals I bought were as useful as a mesh umbrella. The only thing that I think everyone agreed on was if I screwed it up my engine would be toast.

 

I'm mean just what I said. If you find working on an engine that CAME in the car difficult, you really don't need to be fucking with an engine swap. There are so many things that can go wrong, from elecrical problems to fuel pressure issues. If you can't diagnose simple problems on an LQ1 (which isn't exactly rocket science to begin with), you shouldn't even DREAM of performing an engine swap.

 

I still think it's hilarious that there's people on this board that find the LQ1 so confusing. God help you if you ever have to work on some import V6's. HELL, even some import inline 4's. While we're at it, let's throw the Yamaha SHO engine in there. Oh, and the Northstar. The GM LQ1 is one of the more simplistic and easy-to-work-on DOHC V6 designs I've seen.

 

This is just a really long winded way of saying "If you can't perform maintenance on an engine without being totally stumped, you don't need to muck with engine swaps". Any any shop that's going to turn the LQ1 away isn't reputable in the first place. I could see if it was the fucking LT5 or something.. but the LQ1?

[GutlassSupreme]

^you sir need to get out more and work on cars other than w-bodys first of all. any smart person will tell you that not all engines area easy to work on. and some swaps are easier to do then work on the stock engine in the first place.

SECONDLY, why would you want to waste your money on an engine that has no aftermarket support? Why not save up and do a swap that will be worth it in the long term? It saves you from one-offing custom CAI's and headers. And as if your gonna do a turbo or supercharger install in your garage. Never mind getting one CUSTOM MADE!

 

its like this..."you have a 305 in a camaro...sure you can push 500whp after major mods, but why not do a 350 swap and make that power with half the $ ?"

[digitaloutsider]

Okay, and wiring up custom harnesses and learning how tuning works to even get the car STARTED and drivable is MUCH much easier than doing a little custom piping. You've got me!

 

As POINTED OUT EARLIER IN THIS THREAD, custom headers ARE NOT REQUIRED. And a fucking CAI? Who cares if it's turbocharged? That's going to be the least of your concerns. What exactly are you trying to even say?!

[GutlassSupreme]

im saying that just becuiase the engine you have is easy to work on, doesnt mean others are. and plus, maybe doing a swap is worth the knowledge than keeping an engine you dont like,nor want...think about that for a while.

[CSI_MuNkY]

FWIW, to put an end to this arguement, YES, I fully intend to do the swap, however your right, its a lot of work and shit can go wrong, so I'm NOT doing it myself, I will pay to have it done. Not for the reason you are saying though. My GP is my only car, I can not afford to have it off the road for as long as it would take me to get a swap done. Q-ball has managed to find a few people that will do the swap for as low as $600 (plus parts) and claim to only take a few days to do it.

Myself, I do not have the facilities or time to do the swap, otherwise I would tackle it myself.

 

And when it comes to not being able to work on the LQ1, I'm sure I could of figured it out eventually, it was a matter of me needing that car ASAP and no longer having time to try and figure it out on my own. Not to mention I was sick and tired of everyone giving me a different story when I asked for instructions on doing the work. We all have to learn somewhere, unfortunately I came on to the forums and got a bunch of contradicting instructions. I'm sorry if I don't have access to engines to just rip apart to see what makes them tick, if I did I'm sure doing my gasket job would of been a cakewalk. But its not only that, Like Gutlass said, there is next to no aftermarket for the LQ1 without going to a machine shop and spending a fortune on one off parts. I'm not saying headers or CAIs... I'm talking about intake manifolds for a SC, Cams, porting and boring jobs. Granted you can go to that extent with the L67, but you don't have to because there are a vast array of other mods you can do first.

 

I'm not saying modding the LQ1 can't be done, its just not easy to do, because there isn't much you can do to it without fabbing your own parts, I don't have that ability. I have to give credit to people that mod that engine, its not as easy to work on as the L67, you can't dissagree with that.

 

MY bottom line, there is more aftermarket for the L67 and I don't intend to do the swap by myself. But once its done and running, I will have a push rod engine on my hands, something that i can rip appart and not worry about how it goes back together. I've rebuilt a number of pushrod engines. And one day, I will have the space and time to rip apart and learn how to rebuild a DOHC engine. I'm sure its easy for someone that knows what they are doing. But clearly I have to learn on my own because everyone online just sent my head spinning telling me different ways to do it and telling me that the way someone else suggested is wrong. I'm sure when that day comes and I realize how its done it will hit me like a sack of bricks and I'll feel really dumb. Who knows, that day might even come before I get the time and money to do the L67 swap.

 

As for a reputable shop turning away the LQ1, I had a GM dealer that didn't WANT to work on it, but would for $1500 plus parts just to do a head gasket job. (this was a common price among all the shops I asked that WOULD touch it, they ranged from $1200 to $2000)

 

Jamie