SigEpCutlass Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 Guys...I was following Ben's transmission fluid/filter change procedure last night. Procedure can be found here: http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php/topic,31614.0.html Below lies my problem...that goddamn seal... My seal looks maybe half as bad as the one pictured on the left below, so I decided to change it b/c the new filter came with a new seal: I tried Ben's idea of using a spring puller, and other tools, and I can't for the life of me get the damn thing the hell out after spending an entire hour just on that seal. Does anyone have any tricks to get this damn thing out?!? Can someone please tell me wtf I am doing wrong, or what I need to get this damn thing out? I know I can't just put the new filter on, because I damaged the inside of the seal trying to remove it with the spring puller... Help plz! I need to give Eileen her car back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns87 Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I had the exact same problem...and I'm pretty sure I damaged my seal too. Its been a year and I still didn't get it out Needle nose plyers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I take a flathead screwdriver and hammer and attack it from the side, thus collapsing the side it when it won't come out.... imagine turning the perfect O into a pacman shape. got it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I had the exact same problem...and I'm pretty sure I damaged my seal too. Its been a year and I still didn't get it out Needle nose plyers? No dice. That was the first thing I tried after the spring puller. I take a flathead screwdriver and hammer and attack it from the side, thus collapsing the side it when it won't come out.... imagine turning the perfect O into a pacman shape. got it? Hahaha...pacman! Sounds like I could do that Ken. Have you done this before...or am I the guinea pig? I'm sure you can understand why I'm so hesitant to use a hammer in that sensitive of an area. I won't have time to try that today because I'm taking Eileen out for her birthday. I should be giving this a shot on Thursday evening, so I'll let you guys know how it goes. Thanks for the responses guys. Btw...any other ideas are good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I had the exact same problem with the Regal. Do what Ken says, just use a really small flathead screwdriver. Came out in like 2 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I had the exact same problem with the Regal. Do what Ken says, just use a really small flathead screwdriver. Came out in like 2 seconds. Great! Hopefully it'll be as easy as it sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted March 28, 2007 Report Share Posted March 28, 2007 I've done it a half dozen times. just be patient and start with small taps. the worst I've done was leave a score on the flat surface of the case... which hurts nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 I've done it a half dozen times. just be patient and start with small taps. the worst I've done was leave a score on the flat surface of the case... which hurts nothing. Thanks for the advice. I'll be doing it this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 that's exactly what I've done. Once you have bent it as such, grab it with some strong pliers (small vise grips preferred) Pull straight out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathScythe Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 the proper tool for it is a cape chisel or a bushing slide hammer but a flathead to do almost the exact same thing as the cape chisel. A cape chisel is like 30 bucks so I would use the flathead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted March 29, 2007 Report Share Posted March 29, 2007 That or get a pick tool or a cotter pin removal tool. I use mine at work all the time: http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=TOOL&cat=Mechanics+Tools&subcat=Automotive+Specialty+Tools&pid=00904319000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 I tried using that exact tool on this exact seal. Couldn't get it under the lip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathScythe Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 which one, the chisel or the slide hammer. It's the same style slide hammer you use for pilot bearings. There are many different style slide hammers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 Well...I got Pacman...err...I mean the seal out. Put her all back together...and now I'm freaking pissed. Bear with me now... WHY IS MY F'ING TRANSMISSION TICKING UPON ACCELERATION?!? I mean it's really ticking...it sounds like it's gonna blow or something. I don't get it...I touched nothing vital and nothing changed but what seal, filter, and fluid is inside the transmission. I took it apart and put it back together twice last night just to check my work and it still did it! Details for thoughts... ~115,xxx mi on chasis and original tranny transmission fluid and filter last changed about 40k miles ago transmission pan was clean and no carnage old fluid was not burnt and brown, but still healthy and redish new Valvoline ATF Dexron III fluid filled to correct level Every now and then in D the transmission made a light tick, and then a small thunk from a stop that immediately went away (so I thought nothing of it) Car doesn't tick when you hit the gas in P, R, N Car ticks like a son of a bitch in D, 1, 2, 3 What in the hell did I do wrong here...or what decided to take a crap and break on me?!? Somebody HELP PLEASE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 do you hear any fluid pump noise, like a whining? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Euro Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 does it tick all the time? Or just under acceleration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 does it tick all the time? Or just under acceleration? Only acceleration. She practically purrs at idle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 do you hear any fluid pump noise, like a whining? Actually I think I did hear something that like that in addition to the ticking. What pump are you referring to Brian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 the tranny fluid pump inside it, on the drivers side. You can't see it unless you take the left side pan off (biatch) but you'll hear this noise coming from that area. Also are you sure you're not hearing exhaust ticking? Does it change (increase repetitively?) the faster you go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 the tranny fluid pump inside it, on the drivers side. You can't see it unless you take the left side pan off (biatch) but you'll hear this noise coming from that area. Also are you sure you're not hearing exhaust ticking? Does it change (increase repetitively?) the faster you go? Hrmm...I'll have to take a listen to that when I get home today to see if I can further isolate the tick. I don't remember the tick increasing with speed. Though, I wasn't traveling more than 25 or so last night on my 2 little test runs. Btw, is it as bad as I think it may be to drive the car at all if the pump is not properly distributing the transmission fluid throughout the tranny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 well I don't think you have a problem like that. If it were that severe, you wouldn't have proper shifting (BTW how is it shifting?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 well I don't think you have a problem like that. If it were that severe, you wouldn't have proper shifting (BTW how is it shifting?) Shifting seemed to be okay. Shifts didn't seem to be significantly harsher or crisper than usual. Like I said, it was ticking so loud that I was afraid it was gonna burn up or something else awful. I just remembered something else too... There was a small bit of smoke a one point, but I'm almost certain its from when a bit of tranny fluid fell down on the rear of the engine when the funnel popped out of the tranny spout. If it's not, I'm not sure where it would have originated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 how much is a bit? Think it hit the exh manifold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SigEpCutlass Posted March 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 how much is a bit? Think it hit the exh manifold? Umm...hard to describe...we're not talking about anywhere near...say i just took the radiator cap off of an overheated vehicle cloud of smoke. I definitely spilled an ounce of two of fluid, and I thought it was probably on the manifold. If I'm wrong, what else could be causing the smoke? Btw, I can't find a damn thing in my stupid haynes manual about the pump...it's the default take it to a professional to be looked at type of suggestions. How much would I get raped to have someone else replace the pump if it were the problem (i.e. stealership or tranny shop)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted March 30, 2007 Report Share Posted March 30, 2007 it'd be about the cost of a rebuild. I don't want to say your pump is BAD. I was looking more towards maybe some air got into the system (small bubbles in the fluid) which would cause the pump to whine. A low fluid level would also do this. But without hearing it I can't tell what the ticking is. Best I could say is to start it up, warm up for a few minutes, drive it around for 10 mins or so, stop, keep it running in park, triple check the fluid level, and see if the sound generally dissipates as you use the car more. My GM tech manual has a noise diagnosis section I could look at tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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