19Cutlass94 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Does anyone know where to get one thats not broken? Every single cutlass Ive seen the j/y, the IP carrier is broken. I believe this is why I am getting all these noises over bumps and why the passengers side bounce a little bit over the bumps. Ive tried the best I can to fix it, but Im out of ideas other than a brand new one/one thats not broken. I would hate to see what GM would get for one, let alone if they even carry them anymore. If you know where I can get a good one, or have any ideas on supporting the IP Carrier better ( since GM didnt do a very good job ) lemme know. Im kinda getting sick of having to turn up my stereo so I dont hear anything... Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 The IP is mounted under the dash pad, and bolts directly to the firewall... Damnit Im never gonna find a good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 I've never heard of them cracking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToroToro Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Where have you been? I dont know the secret to finding a good one. Just rig up some metal brackets and be done with it. Or do a '95-7 interior swap. No dash shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 this is all news to me, I've never had one break. Where have you found damage? Metal reinforcement would help if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Its broken on the passengers side where it mounts to the fire wall. 3 of the 5 boltsholes are broken. Every Cutlass Ive seen in the junkyard, its the exact same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToroToro Posted November 13, 2006 Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Same thing with mine too. I ended up rigging something like this up that eliminated any shake...funny looking but it worked: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/771000-771999/771265_100_full.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Same thing with mine too. I ended up rigging something like this up that eliminated any shake...funny looking but it worked: http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/771000-771999/771265_100_full.jpg I rigged up something ghetto as well, but it seems like after a while of driving around on these nice and smooth NY roads, I have to take the dash pad off and fix it again. Not only that, but everytime I go over a bump I can hear it, because its a heavy duty exhaust hanger holding it up, and you can hear that metal hanger rubbing on the plastic. I mean I know of a way I can make that go away, but still over every bump, the dash goes crazy, and I would try that, but Im afraid that Ill break it even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 13, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2006 Mine isn't broken there, but it is where the pad bolts to the defroster ducts because I forgot there were screws there...... I would rather have that problem than the actual carrier being broken. I dont understand how some people have never heard of this happening, and other say its a common problem! But yeah, those are broken on mine too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regal_GS_1989 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Mine isn't broken there, but it is where the pad bolts to the defroster ducts because I forgot there were screws there...... Me too. But AFAIK, thats all thats broken on mine. My dash doesn't bounce around at all, And the roads here are so wonderfully smooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 The two on the right of my 89 are broken there. I wouldn't be surprised if they were broken on the 94 (don't remember them being broken, but my memory isn't that great). My dash used to shake really badly. I bought GM's reinforcement kit for the 89 and it doesn't shake so badly anymore. I don't think there is any point at all to buy a new IP carrier. It's just thin, brittle plastic and will break again. I would just use sheetmetal reinforcements and rivet them to the dash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 The two on the right of my 89 are broken there. I wouldn't be surprised if they were broken on the 94 (don't remember them being broken, but my memory isn't that great). My dash used to shake really badly. I bought GM's reinforcement kit for the 89 and it doesn't shake so badly anymore. I don't think there is any point at all to buy a new IP carrier. It's just thin, brittle plastic and will break again. I would just use sheetmetal reinforcements and rivet them to the dash. GM has a reinforcement kit?! Orginally I was going to say get a new carrier but if that's GM's fix than I would rig something up. But, I would rig something up better than what ToroToro did, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 GM has a reinforcement kit?! Had. It was long discontinued even when I bought it in 1995. It consisted of 2 parts, an upper piece and a lower piece. I had parts locators, called a ton of dealers, I eventually found one that had it. It was something like $70 for a rusty piece of stamped sheetmetal which I de-rusted and painted. At the time, they said I got the last one in the nation. It was so hard to get back then, I think it'd be completely pointless to try today. You could rig something up with some scrap sheetmetal. I don't think I took pics of mine, but I do still have the TSB with drawings of it on my home PC somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Im deffinatly going to have to rig something up. Now the new thing is everytime at a stoplight, the thing rattles, and its all the way over at the passengers side A piller. I cant reach it, go figure. But Ill have to see what I have sitting in the garage to fix this. I would imagine I could bolt somthing up to the lower dash mount, but then I duno where to go. I mean theres really no other mounts other than the fire wall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 Use a hammer and pound some sheetmetal into the right shape, then rivet it on. That's what I'd try first, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 GM has a reinforcement kit?! Had. It was long discontinued even when I bought it in 1995. It consisted of 2 parts, an upper piece and a lower piece. I had parts locators, called a ton of dealers, I eventually found one that had it. It was something like $70 for a rusty piece of stamped sheetmetal which I de-rusted and painted. At the time, they said I got the last one in the nation. It was so hard to get back then, I think it'd be completely pointless to try today. You could rig something up with some scrap sheetmetal. I don't think I took pics of mine, but I do still have the TSB with drawings of it on my home PC somewhere. I just think its funny that GM had something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian P Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 GM has a reinforcement kit?! Had. It was long discontinued even when I bought it in 1995. It consisted of 2 parts, an upper piece and a lower piece. I had parts locators, called a ton of dealers, I eventually found one that had it. It was something like $70 for a rusty piece of stamped sheetmetal which I de-rusted and painted. At the time, they said I got the last one in the nation. It was so hard to get back then, I think it'd be completely pointless to try today. You could rig something up with some scrap sheetmetal. I don't think I took pics of mine, but I do still have the TSB with drawings of it on my home PC somewhere. I just think its funny that GM had something like this. GM R&D: We're having massive complaints about the dash having the gibblies. GM: .... R&D: We found out all the IP carriers are cracking GM: .... so....what do you want R&D: Well under warranty maybe it'd be best to repla... GM: No, no, out of the question R&D: ... GM: What? R&D: What do we do with the complaints? GM: Glue it or something, how much does glue cost? R&D: Couple bucks? We can use structural adhesive which will be stro... GM: ...Blu bleh blue R&D: What about fabricating a bolt-in bracket to fix the problem? GM: Well how much will this cost? R&D: We'll have the chinese make it, then we can mark it up 600%. This isn't a warranty issue, this is a comfort issue. GM: ...kay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Here's the diagram from the TSB instructions. [attachment deleted by admin] Removed to free up storage space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Well heres the pictures of the damage: Heres the fix that I have. Its a piece of 1/8" heavy duty exhuats hanger, wrapped in some toolbox padding so it wont make too much noise. With it installed Doesnt seem like too much, but until it warms up, and I can take this dash pad off again, and come up with more bracing, Id have to say that this will work for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 I must be missing something. Where do you attach it to? BTW-Brian P hILARIOUS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Look in the last picture. I have it mounted to the firewall so that its holding up that side of the IP carrier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Look in the last picture. I have it mounted to the firewall so that its holding up that side of the IP carrier. OHH, so its not a brace then, its just a "hook" then?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Look in the last picture. I have it mounted to the firewall so that its holding up that side of the IP carrier. OHH, so its not a brace then, its just a "hook" then?! yeah basically. I mean its not the best thing ever done, but it should hold it decently for now. I just have to figure out what else I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Look in the last picture. I have it mounted to the firewall so that its holding up that side of the IP carrier. OHH, so its not a brace then, its just a "hook" then?! yeah basically. I mean its not the best thing ever done, but it should hold it decently for now. I just have to figure out what else I can do. Well I would make a brace rather than something that stops the dash from sagging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted November 28, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Look in the last picture. I have it mounted to the firewall so that its holding up that side of the IP carrier. OHH, so its not a brace then, its just a "hook" then?! yeah basically. I mean its not the best thing ever done, but it should hold it decently for now. I just have to figure out what else I can do. Well I would make a brace rather than something that stops the dash from sagging. ohh Deffinatly. I just have to figure out where Im going to brace it, and what supports and where ya know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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