FordBoy Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 How much more power do you think roller rockers and a "turbonator" would give me? From the stock 135-140hp/160-165lbft. Turbonator http://www.turbonator.com/ check it out they say 35hp but they will always say more then it is. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted October 24, 2006 Report Posted October 24, 2006 Roller rockers will probably only give about 10hp.... and *cough* turbonator is a joke *cough* Quote
PCGUY112887 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Fordboy posting about a Turbonator... Sorry I know someone will say it, I just wanna beat em Quote
Crazy K Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Fordboy posting about a Turbonator... Sorry I know someone will say it, I just wanna beat em why beat him? convert him! I don;t know much about the roller rocjers yet, but I guess I'm too lazy to raid 60v6 for info. around 10 hp. :lol: :lol: Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Basically, roller rockers are lighter than the stampted steel/roller tip that we have, therefore lightening up the valvetrian. And they greatly reduce friction. Both of those combined create power. Quote
Andrew Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 I still cant believe Sam Memmolo stands behind that product. I used to watch his show, but he lost all his credibility when he started talking up the Steal-u-money... ...it swirls the incoming air for better combustion...... wtf is the air normally doing??? dragging? Quote
Euro Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 actually the 3100 1.6's only give you like 2-4hp i think Quote
97loudcut Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 2-4hp (at the crank) is not worth more than 20 dollars haha! Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Well when you say 3100, do you mean stamped steel rockers or roller tip rockers? Theres a fairly big difference between the two. Roller rockers are completly different from both. Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 mentioning the Turbonator (or IAT resisitor mod for that matter) as a "mod" is a sure fire way to get flamed and destroy your credibility on car forums buy anways, roller rocker gains probably all depends on the setup. for a stock engine maybe 5hp? for a modified engine that can take greater advantage of more airflow the gains will be greater. that's just assumptions on my part though. there are only 3 real power adders: - turbocharger - supercharger - nitrous and those all basically do the same thing (i use that phrase very loosely) just different ways of doing it. they just add more oxygen to the intake charge. or if you're a REAL man you'll cut holes in your floorpan and do it Fred Flintstone style for MaD P0W34. Quote
mfewtrail Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Well when you say 3100, do you mean stamped steel rockers or roller tip rockers? Theres a fairly big difference between the two. Roller rockers are completly different from both. Whoever mentioned the 3100 above is referring to the '94-95(and some '93's) stamped 1.6 ratio rocker arms. I punched in the info for a NA 3.1 before on desktop dyno and it said those are worth a peak gain of 2hp(it was a steady gain of 2hp on average in the upper rpms) on a stock 3.1. IF the actual gain for stamped 1.6's is 2hp, then the roller tipped rockers probably yield around 5-6hp and the rollers(crane gold) probably give you a good 10hp increase. Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Well when you say 3100, do you mean stamped steel rockers or roller tip rockers? Theres a fairly big difference between the two. Roller rockers are completly different from both. Whoever mentioned the 3100 above is referring to the '94-95(and some '93's) stamped 1.6 ratio rocker arms. I punched in the info for a NA 3.1 before on desktop dyno and it said those are worth a peak gain of 2hp(it was a steady gain of 2hp on average in the upper rpms) on a stock 3.1. for the low cost and ease of installation of that mod i'd definately do it! gains will probably be greater than 2hp on a boosted and or(?) cammed engine. Quote
mfewtrail Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 for the low cost and ease of installation of that mod i'd definately do it! gains will probably be greater than 2hp on a boosted and or(?) cammed engine. I think the stamped 1.6's should add at least 10hp to most boosted 3.1's. I could actually feel a difference on the TGP after installing them. Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 for the low cost and ease of installation of that mod i'd definately do it! gains will probably be greater than 2hp on a boosted and or(?) cammed engine. I think the stamped 1.6's should add at least 10hp to most boosted 3.1's. I could actually feel a difference on the TGP after installing them. i'm gonna have to talk Dan into doing that mod to the Cutlass. Quote
Euro Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 oh wow i forgot about the stamped ones i was talkin bout the roller tips on the newer 3100s Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 oh wow i forgot about the stamped ones i was talkin bout the roller tips on the newer 3100s those can't be added to the GEN-II without alot of work (and it would be "hacked" IMO). not worth the trouble adding those to 2.8/3.1 engine IMO (the stock LA1/LG8 roller rockers that is). Quote
mfewtrail Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 oh wow i forgot about the stamped ones i was talkin bout the roller tips on the newer 3100s The later 3100's have roller fulcrum rocker arms, not roller tipped for what it's worth. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Fulcrum roller rockers are where they mount to the stud. GM never put any of that in any 60*v6. I dont even think you can get fulcrum roller rockers without the tip being a roller as well. The ones on the '96+ 3100's are roller tipped rockers. They have a roller where the vavle is. Quote
mfewtrail Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Fulcrum roller rockers are where they mount to the stud. GM never put any of that in any 60*v6. I dont even think you can get fulcrum roller rockers without the tip being a roller as well. The ones on the '96+ 3100's are roller tipped rockers. They have a roller where the vavle is. There are no factory roller tip rocker arms in 3100's, the 96+ got roller fulcrum rocker arms as I stated. Here's a picture in which you can clearly see the fulcrum is a roller type setup and the tips are stamped. http://www.domesticcrew.com/colin/Diagnosis/LIM01.jpg Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 Fulcrum roller rockers are where they mount to the stud. GM never put any of that in any 60*v6. I dont even think you can get fulcrum roller rockers without the tip being a roller as well. The ones on the '96+ 3100's are roller tipped rockers. They have a roller where the vavle is. yeah, you have it backwards. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted October 25, 2006 Report Posted October 25, 2006 I could have sworn it was thw other way. My bad. Sorry. Quote
Euro Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 damn..wrong again lol oh well, i didnt know those wouldn't be worth it at all.....thats what i thought everyone was putting on Quote
19GT92 Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 do they make roller tip rockers for the LHO 3.1L mpfi engine because i was gonna get them with bens chip with erg delete and the chip functions all tuned to max the engine out and a 2 bar map sensor for the LG5 along with the ffp under drive pulley to go with my custom intake and catco cat back exhaust and 160 t stat which should give that engine some pretty good pep i hope hell it will already light the tires with the mods i got already Quote
digitaloutsider Posted October 26, 2006 Report Posted October 26, 2006 What's the point in a two-bar sensor if you're not going with boost? No point in doing a cat-back on a N/A 3.1, IMHO. Waste of time and money. Drilled 180 FTW. 160 FTL! Quote
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