RobertISaar Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 is there any reason why a M90 i could get on ebay wouldn't fit on my 95 monte carlo 3100. i'm sure computer settings would have to be tweaked, but is there any reason it wouldn't work? (hood clearence is not something that bothers me, the Sawzall needs to be used anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 If you have the money to spend, do it. It's been done on 2.8's, 3.1's, 3100's, and 3400's. I'd recommend finding a DD while doing the project though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 I'd recommend finding a DD while doing the project though. DD? Daily Driver? actually it is my daily driver seeing that i have so many projects i'm working on right now: 1985 IROC-Z, 1983 El Camino, 1970 Monte Carlo, 1978 Harley-Davidson SX 175. i would probably have to find lower compression heads or pistons though right? any suggestions for those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Stock compression will be fine. DD, yes daily driver. For how much time you will have into the project, i'd suggest driving one of your other cars while SC'ing this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 if i'm not mistaken stock compression is 9.5:1 which seems way too high for a SC without running about 96 octane gas. all i can get here is 92, 89, 87. i don't mind premium because everything else i own runs on it except for the IROC(because the motor is on a stand and its an original 215HP 305, which is probably fine on 87 octane). i know my engine has a knock sensor and retards the timing but how far will it retard the timing? while i'm on the topic, what would i need to change the computer settings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Not sure about computer settings. As for the compression, as stated above, it has been done plenty of times on pretty much stock engines. After tuning, running 91 or 92 octane was perfectly fine. Head over to http://www.60degreev6.com for more info on tuning, and pretty much doing it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkdoutss Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 or check out mymonte.com wouldnt l67 swap be easier?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 3, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 more expensive=less likely its going to happen=less ricers being shown the dominance of a car made in america. i need speed for cheap but i would rather stay away from nitrous if i can. i am a little confused with the mymonte.com page and can't find a lot of help there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJansen658 Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 wouldnt l67 swap be easier?? more expensive=less likely its going to happen=less ricers being shown the dominance of a car made in america. I agree with blkdoutss... how much do you intend to spend on all the mods for an M90? You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastSE2DR Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 wouldnt l67 swap be easier?? more expensive=less likely its going to happen=less ricers being shown the dominance of a car made in america. I agree with blkdoutss... how much do you intend to spend on all the mods for an M90? You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... and the tranny... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 and the tranny... little details..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJansen658 Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 and the tranny... little details..... yea yea and that too lol....still a better idea IMO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... $400... Where the hell in Michigan are you??? i'm in the tri-state area, just outside of a little redneck town called Camden? a decent turbo costs more than that and you're talking a complete engine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 wouldnt l67 swap be easier?? more expensive=less likely its going to happen=less ricers being shown the dominance of a car made in america. I agree with blkdoutss... how much do you intend to spend on all the mods for an M90? You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... and the tranny... You don't need the 4T65E-HD to run a Series 2 L67....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastSE2DR Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 wouldnt l67 swap be easier?? more expensive=less likely its going to happen=less ricers being shown the dominance of a car made in america. I agree with blkdoutss... how much do you intend to spend on all the mods for an M90? You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... and the tranny... You don't need the 4T65E-HD to run a Series 2 L67....... You'd be dumb not to use it tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why? there are plenty of 96' H bodies with the L67 and a 4T60E-HD that are still on the origional trans. There's even one guy on bonneville club that believes the 4T60E-HD is more lastworthy than the 4T65E-HD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJansen658 Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 You can get an L67 for $400 here in MI..... all you'd need is the computer and engine harness.... $400... Where the hell in Michigan are you??? i'm in the tri-state area, just outside of a little redneck town called Camden? a decent turbo costs more than that and you're talking a complete engine? Roseville... with a quick search of car-part.com..... 1997 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix 43907 060341 $300 B and R Auto and Truck Parts USA-MN(Mapleton) E-mail 1-800-354-7881 563 1997 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix 43954 060342 $300 B and R Auto and Truck Parts USA-MN(Mapleton) E-mail 1-800-354-7881 563 1997 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix 3.8 -321 8-23-06 TONY 148,000 B 3K7750 $300 Jeffries Auto Salvage USA-KY(Horse-Cave) Request_Quote 1-800-962-2393 Request_Insurance_Quote 399 1997 Engine Buick Riviera RUNS NICE - LESS SUPERCHARGER ! 80,000 A 040326 $299.95 Marshalls Auto Parts, Inc. USA-OH(Circleville) Request_Quote 1-800-333-2104 Request_Insurance_Quote 202 1998 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix RUNS VERY NICE - LESS SUPERCHARGER ! 79,000 A 060397 $299.95 Marshalls Auto Parts, Inc. USA-OH(Circleville) Request_Quote 1-800-333-2104 Request_Insurance_Quote 202 1996 Engine Pontiac Bonneville -321 D0568 $299 Butler Auto Recycling USA-FL(Pensacola) Request_Quote 1-888-441-8010 Request_Insurance_Quote 866 1996 Engine Buick Riviera -321,9-95,SFI,3.8L,S UPR CHRGED,160K W-0401 $295 Erdmans Auto Parts and Salvage - QRP Partner USA-WI(Marinette) E-mail 1-800-472-0281 301 1997 Engine Pontiac Bonneville runs good 151,000 A060004 $295 Auto Land USA-KS(Carbondale) E-mail 1-800-342-8450 / 1-785-836-9000 714 1996 Engine Buick Riviera 6 96;FWD;FI;3.8;AT [300-14638A] (STORE:1) B 01040091 $270 Dicks Auto Salvage USA-OH(Findlay) E-mail 1-800-252-4712 108 1998 Engine Buick Regal RUNS GOOD,PRICED WO SUPERCHARGER 141,000 S453P $250 Cockrells Auto Parts USA-KY(Mt.-Sterling) E-mail 1-800-633-2441 311 1996 Engine Oldsmobile 88 LESS SUPER CHARGER 144K MILES 815410041 $250 Salisbury Auto Salvage USA-WV(Clay) E-mail 1-800-246-1051 299 1999 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix SHORT BLOCK 128,000 B M50046 $250 Tompkinsville Auto Salvage USA-KY(Tompkinsville) Request_Quote 1-888-482-0016 Request_Insurance_Quote 425 2000 Engine Pontiac Grand Prix 3.8L (w/suprchrgr (VIN 1)- CORE BURNT C. M2009 $250 Jack's Used Cars and Parts USA-MA(North-Billerica) Request_Quote 1-888-873-5225 Request_Insurance_Quote 592 1997 Engine Pontiac Bonneville *(3.8L), w/suprchrgr, (VIN '1')- BURN M1464 $250 Jack's Used Cars and Parts USA-MA(North-Billerica) Request_Quote 1-888-873-5225 Request_Insurance_Quote 592 2001 Engine Buick Regal -3.8 W SUPER CHARGE ..CORE ONLY..LT FIRE-U 1369 $250 Madison Heights Auto Parts USA-VA(Madison-Heights) E-mail 1-888-528-8826 403 1997 Engine Buick Riviera WE DELIVER WE SHIP CALL GIVE ME PO 0 A A61034 $249.02 All Pro Used Auto Parts USA-FL(Auburndale) Request_Quote 1-800-551-8557 Request_Insurance_Quote 999 1997 Engine Buick Regal -3.8 LESS S/CHARGER,180K,150PSI 180,000 B G97315 $225 Highway 54 Salvage USA-TN(Trenton) Request_Quote 1-800-392-3803 Request_Insurance_Quote 556 1997 Engine Buick Riviera BLOCK ONLY 142,141 B 040292 $150 Tubb's Used Auto Parts, Inc. USA-VA(Norfolk) E-mail 1-757-545-8418 528 1996 Engine Pontiac Bonneville 3.8L W/SUPERCHARGER CORE 001951030 $100 Dallas Auto Salvage USA-TX(Dallas) E-mail 1-800-803-0993 or 1-972-286-5644 1010 1997 Engine Buick Regal 4-97,3.8,AT,GS BURNT 04091 $100 V & W Motors USA-GA(Bowdon) E-mail 1-770-258-2597 633 BTW this was page 30 of the search in a price ordered search... they started at about $2500 with 8k miles.. for $600-$700 you can get a complete SC motor with around 80k on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FastSE2DR Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Why? there are plenty of 96' H bodies with the L67 and a 4T60E-HD that are still on the origional trans. There's even one guy on bonneville club that believes the 4T60E-HD is more lastworthy than the 4T65E-HD. Regardless, thats an HD tranny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Regardless, thats an HD tranny. yeah and i'm stuck with my 4T60E, no heavy duty properties to it at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertISaar Posted December 6, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 been a while since this has been updated but i thought i'd ask: what all is required mechanicly to get it to fit on the intake? i'm thinking what would have to be done to the intake? i'm told it'll need a custom (lower?) intake, but whats meant by that? can i reuse the original and have to modify it or am i going to have to aftermarket and where can i get them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandPrix34 Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 A failure to plan is a plan for failure... Before buying anything, commit everything first to paper. I too at one point wanted to put the M90 on my W-body. It's a DOHC, but same concept. And I learned the hard way of why its a failure from the start to not plan things out. If you don't, then your going to be stranded with parts, no money, and no idea of what to do next. I suggest you do as much research as possible between an L67 and supercharging your vehicle. With an L67 swap, you have a plethora of information, from l67swap.com to various communities around the net who can guide you, provide actual blueprints on putting in the engine, and telll you what to expect and how much of each thing its gonna cost. Not to mention, all the parts you will need can be hand easily, such as the actual L67, the tranny, fuel lines, fuel pump, computer, and harness. If you decide to stay with your engine and S/C, you have to know whether or not you know what you are doing. Do you understand the mechanics of the M90, how boost works, how your engine will respond to it. Then you have to take into account the actual fabrication of a custom lower intake because you will need one. Then there's intake plumbing. Then finding a way to have the nose drive of the S/C to fit with your accessory belt so the belt doesn't slip off. Then there's custom ECM tunning to get the fuel/air ratio and the spark timing right. Then there's upgrading the injectors to support the fuel/air ration. Then there is the tranny issue: will it hold? Doesn't matter what someone across the U.S. says, you have got to know whether or not YOUR tranny will hold. If it's gonna be your daily driver, then you have drivability issues. I guess I'm trying to 'scare you straight' because I wished someone did that to me before I began anything...lol! I was always the "L67=boat anchor" believer, but nowadays, I strongly suggest an L67 swap because its been done many times and you have a lot of people to 'model' after. If you decide to S/C your 3X00, then look for someone who has done it already and 'model' after him so you have someone to help you and someone to compare your project to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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