runt Posted August 7, 2006 Report Posted August 7, 2006 So it's about time I do SOMETHING to the GP. Figured easiest would be a Front STB. I found one from "Otto Racing" on Procarparts.com for like $50 but didn't check shipping cost. Should I go this route, or try to see how much one from a Dealer is? I believe that I would have to ask for a 97+ Regal one, cuz I don't think that the GP's came stock with them. Then again, I could be wrong. Also think it would be worth my while to look in a J/Y or just go new? Thanks! Quote
SigEpCutlass Posted August 7, 2006 Report Posted August 7, 2006 Doesn't ZZPerformance sell these for 2nd Gens? Quote
terryk2003 Posted August 7, 2006 Report Posted August 7, 2006 oh noes...not the zzp discussion again!... anywayz, you can buy the Buick F-Bar and get the ZZP brackets, but those brackets are a rip-off IMO...you can get a STB from PFYC, ZZP, Wbodystore, etc...but its gonna be more than $50, i can tell you that...i think the F-Bar itself is like $20 or so, you'll just have to drill holes in the top of your strut tower to mount it... Quote
runt Posted August 7, 2006 Author Report Posted August 7, 2006 Just found this one GMPartsDirect.com Part Number: 12498648 DESCRIPTION: STRUT TOWER BRACE KIT For use on 1999 - 2002 Chevrolet Monte Carlo; 2000 - 2002 Chevrolet Impala; 1997 - 2002 Pontiac Grand Prix. These are production Buick strut tower braces designed to minimize body flex. The kit includes two strut tower braces, hardware, and installation instructions. The part number for one strut tower brace only is 12456148. Sale Price: $20.29 Fuck, I might just order it and see what it is. Even if I have to get other brackets, or even machine them...that isn't a big deal... EDIT: D'OH! I just re-read your post Terry, and realized you just said what I posted. Even so...I can score some J/Y brackets and drill them if I'm really THAT worried about it. Maybe I'll do that.... Quote
bluegp Posted August 7, 2006 Report Posted August 7, 2006 Fuck, I might just order it and see what it is. Even if I have to get other brackets, or even machine them...that isn't a big deal... ...I can score some J/Y brackets and drill them if I'm really THAT worried about it. Maybe I'll do that.... If you go junkyard hunting, I think you'll find that the 2nd gens didn't come with brackets. On another forum, you can find a few pictures of owner's custom made ones for ideas; at least one member there also sells them. If you're wondering how the factory mounts them, here's a pic of mine (the police cars came with them). (excuse the uncleanliness) Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted August 7, 2006 Report Posted August 7, 2006 oh noes...not the zzp discussion again!... anywayz, you can buy the Buick F-Bar and get the ZZP brackets, but those brackets are a rip-off IMO...you can get a STB from PFYC, ZZP, Wbodystore, etc...but its gonna be more than $50, i can tell you that...i think the F-Bar itself is like $20 or so, you'll just have to drill holes in the top of your strut tower to mount it... what's the problem with the ZZP brackets? are they just too expensive or are there fitment problems or something? i want to get the F-bar for my Regal but i don't want to drill holes. too bad they didn't get them factory until '99 Quote
AWeb80 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 Runt, might as well get the GMPP kit w/ two bars...since you can easily put one on the back too....its only like $1 more.... That is what i got my bro for Christmas for his '00 GP GT Quote
94CutlassSLCoupe Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 you should get the whole handling upgrade package for 2nd gens... $127 for front and rear sway bars, front STB (the one in question), and tubular trailing arms cannot be beat Quote
runt Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 Runt, might as well get the GMPP kit w/ two bars...since you can easily put one on the back too....its only like $1 more.... That is what i got my bro for Christmas for his '00 GP GT Thats the same one from GMPartsDirect, correct? What was the install like? Quote
terryk2003 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 oh noes...not the zzp discussion again!... anywayz, you can buy the Buick F-Bar and get the ZZP brackets, but those brackets are a rip-off IMO...you can get a STB from PFYC, ZZP, Wbodystore, etc...but its gonna be more than $50, i can tell you that...i think the F-Bar itself is like $20 or so, you'll just have to drill holes in the top of your strut tower to mount it... what's the problem with the ZZP brackets? are they just too expensive or are there fitment problems or something? i want to get the F-bar for my Regal but i don't want to drill holes. too bad they didn't get them factory until '99 well, first off, they're like $40 shipped for a hunk of metal with 4 holes in it...2nd, not sure about the fitment on 2nd gens, but i had to slot my bar on the 1st gen to it to fit correctly...so its not bolt-up like they are advertising..also, there MAY be an issue with the bar actually hitting on the hood!...i didnt pay much attention on my cutlass, but another member is having issues... Quote
runt Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 I sure as shit can not find the ZZP Brackets on their site... I might just say fuck it and drill the bitch. Can't be that bad. Quote
AWeb80 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 Runt, might as well get the GMPP kit w/ two bars...since you can easily put one on the back too....its only like $1 more.... That is what i got my bro for Christmas for his '00 GP GT Thats the same one from GMPartsDirect, correct? What was the install like? I drilled my bros front STB just like the factory has it.....put some siliocone on the back side to keep water from getting to the bare metal afterwards.... the rear, was EASY.....no labor intensive like GMPP says..... ya drill one hole on each side a tad bigger, and boom, slides right on. Quote
terryk2003 Posted August 8, 2006 Report Posted August 8, 2006 I sure as shit can not find the ZZP Brackets on their site... I might just say fuck it and drill the bitch. Can't be that bad. http://www.zzperformance.com/grand_prix/products1.php?id=139 they really arent hard to find...just go to suspension, then strut tower brace components...lol Quote
runt Posted August 8, 2006 Author Report Posted August 8, 2006 Oh jeez...I completely missed them! Opppss... Yeah I think I'll order the GMPP bar and the ZZP mounts. Shit, I'll have less than $100 in it. Quote
Grand Moff Joseph Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Not to hread jack, but wasn't there a discussion a long time ago as to whether any of the GMPP parts for 2nd gens would fit a 1st gen car? Quote
runt Posted August 9, 2006 Author Report Posted August 9, 2006 I think Terry or Adam kinda mentioned something of that nature but I'm not sure...if my buddy still had his 96 GP I'd find out, but sadly it's gone. Quote
Grand Moff Joseph Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 Yeah, I'd really like to know the answer to that, because I'm itching to grab somr moreparts for my Lumina. Quote
terryk2003 Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 what are you looking for?...i know the GMPP tubular trailing arms will fit the 1st gens...and i know the F-Bar will fit if u drill holes or u buy those brackets from ZZP... Quote
Grand Moff Joseph Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 what are you looking for?...i know the GMPP tubular trailing arms will fit the 1st gens...and i know the F-Bar will fit if u drill holes or u buy those brackets from ZZP... Sweet! Now, will the front/rear sway bars fit a 1st gen as well, or do I have to go Z34 hunting in a JY? Quote
terryk2003 Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 what are you looking for?...i know the GMPP tubular trailing arms will fit the 1st gens...and i know the F-Bar will fit if u drill holes or u buy those brackets from ZZP... Sweet! Now, will the front/rear sway bars fit a 1st gen as well, or do I have to go Z34 hunting in a JY? that is something i DUNNO...i doubt those will work, since i know the rear uses a completly different spring/strut Quote
AWeb80 Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 You need to go Z34 hunting....or just get teh ADDCO bar......way better. Quote
pwmin Posted August 9, 2006 Report Posted August 9, 2006 gmpp trailing arms and stb's will/can work. 2nd gen lateral arms should also work. here's what i did with my buick bars http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v476/pwmin/rear%20stb/ Quote
runt Posted August 12, 2006 Author Report Posted August 12, 2006 Alright....I am just about done putting the Front STB in. Had to re-paint it, but I'm fun like that. Anyway...after reading the directions for the Rear install, it says I have to remove the strut carts. Is this true? I know I have to remove the one bolt from the top, but I guess to get the "new" stud in there I'd have to do that, or can I just get lucky and reach my hand up in the wheel well and find the hole? I'm thinking not. If anyone has done this on the rear, please let me know what you did. I just don't want to end up screwing something up. Thanks! Quote
AWeb80 Posted August 13, 2006 Report Posted August 13, 2006 Alright....I am just about done putting the Front STB in. Had to re-paint it, but I'm fun like that. Anyway...after reading the directions for the Rear install, it says I have to remove the strut carts. Is this true? I know I have to remove the one bolt from the top, but I guess to get the "new" stud in there I'd have to do that, or can I just get lucky and reach my hand up in the wheel well and find the hole? I'm thinking not. If anyone has done this on the rear, please let me know what you did. I just don't want to end up screwing something up. Thanks! dude, it took me 10 minutes tops to put my bro's rear stb in.....open the trunk, and look at the strut towers...then hold the fbar up there and see which bolts it fill fit on to. take the nuts off those bolts and put the bar on , the tighten the nuts back on. U have to enlarge teh holes in the bar a tad. Quote
runt Posted August 13, 2006 Author Report Posted August 13, 2006 So you only used one mounting hole? Cuz if so...yeah, that'll only take a few minutes. I'll have more time in painting than anything else...lol Quote
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