kuntzie Posted July 23, 2006 Report Posted July 23, 2006 well i broke 3 alxes on the TGp in the last month..... well at least i never broke anything else i guess more info here (page 1 and 2) http://www.w-body.com/forum/index.php/topic,47900.0.html so ya i need some hardened axles..... where do i find them Quote
w-bodys_are_the_best Posted July 24, 2006 Report Posted July 24, 2006 Hey just a thought, check around on the fiero boards, I don't know if they would even be the same, but they might know where to get some drive axles, there are some pretty crazy fieros, and I'm sure somone has had some made. Fiero's are rear drive, but mid engine, they're set up like a front-drive in the back. I've seen alot of them run DOHC 3.4's that are built up, and turbo'd and you name it, there are also alot of them running smallblock V8's. Quote
kuntzie Posted July 24, 2006 Author Report Posted July 24, 2006 fiero ones are most likely custom, like different end on it ect ect.....i check it out though Quote
RJansen658 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Posted July 24, 2006 I have no idea if they make them for our cars, but Moroso make cv axles now for performance aplications, and i think the TGP is performance LOL. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Posted July 24, 2006 I know ZZP makes cv axles rated for 500hp, but thats for the 4T65 I duno if they would work. Quote
terryk2003 Posted July 24, 2006 Report Posted July 24, 2006 HOLY shit...turn down the BOOST!...lol Quote
Intlcutlass Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 Get your next set cryo-treated or ultrasoniclly hardened. Thats "supposed" to increase the strength of the metal anywhere from 100% to 400%. Quote
z284pwr Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts Quote
Intlcutlass Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts Thats cause an auto trans would break before the axles would. A HM-282 is way stronger (and lighter) than the 4T60. I would rather replace an axle than pull a tranny... Quote
bubbles Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts Thats cause an auto trans would break before the axles would. A HM-282 is way stronger (and lighter) than the 4T60. I would rather replace an axle than pull a tranny... 282 is junk 284 is what he has it's way stronger Quote
Intlcutlass Posted July 25, 2006 Report Posted July 25, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts Thats cause an auto trans would break before the axles would. A HM-282 is way stronger (and lighter) than the 4T60. I would rather replace an axle than pull a tranny... 282 is junk 284 is what he has it's way stronger 282's will hold up under a turbo v-6 and even a turbo v-8.....So it's hardly "junk". They have been propelling Fiero's down the 1/4 in 12 and 11 second times.. Also the 284's are MUCH harder to find, and you can't split the case on it (i think), so when it needs work, you have to send it away. If he has the 284 HOT DAMN... it's a DAMN good tranny , like I said , just harder to find parts for , and harder to get worked on....But the 282 would do just fine for the majority of us. Quote
z284pwr Posted July 26, 2006 Report Posted July 26, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts Thats cause an auto trans would break before the axles would. A HM-282 is way stronger (and lighter) than the 4T60. I would rather replace an axle than pull a tranny... I don't have the issue that "most" of the TGP guys that go through transmissions have.....That is low end torque...I have none of that..... I'm sure I can find a way to make up .2 of a 1/4 time that is lost in weight, besides I'm not racing the thing anyway....its just a cruiser...Its fast enough for me, I'll get a drag car if I need to go fast.... Thats off topic though. I'm still quite curious in this issue with the axles not being long enough if it is, that is quite an interesting new development some of the 5spd guys may have to address on down the line... Quote
kuntzie Posted July 27, 2006 Author Report Posted July 27, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts ya but you also dont have near as much power i do either 13.6 doesnt come with nothing stock breaking also 284s i know of over 10 up here in local junk yards so there not hard to find, alas the axles are getting scarse (used) im willing to bet a stock or non upgraded 282 would not hold up to 15 psi on the big sanil and a stage 3 racing clutch Quote
Intlcutlass Posted July 28, 2006 Report Posted July 28, 2006 After you have gone through 3 axles in a month, I'm definitely glad I'm staying with an automatic, no worries about if the axles are the rigth size or long enough.....Automatics aren't nearly as hard on parts ya but you also dont have near as much power i do either 13.6 doesnt come with nothing stock breaking also 284s i know of over 10 up here in local junk yards so there not hard to find, alas the axles are getting scarse (used) im willing to bet a stock or non upgraded 282 would not hold up to 15 psi on the big sanil and a stage 3 racing clutch I have only ever seen 2... BUT , if the 282 can hold up to a Fiero's turbo Northstar, why wouldn't it work for you? Unless yours is a track mostly car? Whats your torque curve look like? Quote
kuntzie Posted July 30, 2006 Author Report Posted July 30, 2006 i gotta get the car dynoed so i dont know the torque curve... also ive only ever heard of the 282s breaking (god 910, marcus?? ect), never a 284 before (in any cars- like sure they get old but never seen the diff pop out before) i snapped another axle today, driver side again. snapped again, shitty i need stronger axles, i know its sitting in the tranny right because its sitting in it even after it breaks, this one cracked a chunk off and tore apart at the whole internals of the boot. i know its not a placement problem, because i never had a problem before. this ne snapped with the boost at 8psi, it was BRAND NEW and it still broke. Quote
z284pwr Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 i snapped another axle today, driver side again. snapped again, shitty HOLY shit...turn down the BOOST!...lol ...... Quote
kuntzie Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Posted July 31, 2006 Snapped it today @ 8psi.... not a point in going lower then that...... No burnout- no dumping the clutch- no harsh start off the line....... just snapped..... like usual, stayed in the tranny too, so its not like its falling out. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 Are you using brand new axles or ones out of a j/y or re-mans? Quote
kuntzie Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Posted July 31, 2006 i know its not a placement problem, because i never had a problem before. this ne snapped with the boost at 8psi, it was BRAND NEW and it still broke. brand new ( well this last one was) Quote
Cam'ron Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 better figure something out dude... axles are gonna start breaking you before too long. should look into a machine shop to build a pair for you they should have something that can stand up to the demands your putting on them Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 i don't think it's a power or torque issue. something is wrong. Quote
kuntzie Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Posted July 31, 2006 well i talked to an axle company thats semi close to me, sent them the pictures and told him what was going on, he saw the pics and was like ya those are pretty broken. I told him that the axles are breaking but still stay in the tranny, and i got to hit them out ect, so i know there not just slipping of the output shaft. (2 of the times it stayed in the tranny) oddly enough at the track uesterday, he was there and remembered my car. didnt know it was an axle i broke or he would have came and talked to me. we talked to a bit and he said, if the passenger one is holding up fine, then he will just make me a driver side one, i actually got the # for this guy from a buddy on another car forum, whos got an 12.0 second grand prix, had problems with axles, about one every 4 or 5 passes, got some of these an never had a problem since, (with Slicks too) one axle, 300 bucks (canadian) so basicly 200 for the upgrade, said It will not be broken , and carries a life time warranty, i have it for next wekend to test it out. Quote
z284pwr Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 I would suggest not going to the race track for awhile....the VHT on the track is just having a hay-day with your axles Quote
terryk2003 Posted July 31, 2006 Report Posted July 31, 2006 I would suggest not going to the race track for awhile....the VHT on the track is just having a hay-day with your axles yeah, but if he keeps the axles in it, with the track that sticky, its gonna lay down one helluva good time!... Quote
kuntzie Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Posted July 31, 2006 I would suggest not going to the race track for awhile....the VHT on the track is just having a hay-day with your axles yeah, but if he keeps the axles in it, with the track that sticky, its gonna lay down one helluva good time!... agreed, in order to figure out the weak pionts i gotta upgrade the driver axle forsure, obiously i wount drive it in the winter so, i can work on the motor/ tranny if those blow this summer, if the tranny goes then my only option is 6-speed i would proably fork out the cash for a 6-speed, as long as it is remotly close to being able to hook up Quote
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