bladekinslayer Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I own a 92 cutlass supreme with a 3.1l engine and 4t60 transmission. The milleage is about 112000km. About a week ago i had a trans flush and the filter replaced. Now when I come to a rolling stop(the car is still rolling slowly ,bout 2-5km), but not a full stop and hit the gas, the transmission will stay in neutral and not engage. It just revs it's little heart out. unless i rev it to about 2000-3000rpm or so then slam! it kicks into 1st. If i baby it and come to a absolute complete stop then apply the gas all is well. This does not happen all the time (1-5 times), but is more pronounced when the trans is cold. All other gears, includeing reverse seem to work and sound fine. Fluid level is good, filter & seal ok. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 a 1992 cutlass with a 3.1 will have a 4t60 and not a 4t60-e 1993 and newer 3.1 car have the 4t60-e, only the 3.4 powered cars got 4t60-e before 93... however... is your fluid level topped off? is the fluid airiated? full of bubbles? a very common mistake when a filter is changed is that the person installing the filter beat it into place and thereby cracked it. the upper portion of the filter and the neck is plastic... and if cracked it is like a hole in a straw will interfere with transmission functioning. one thing is for certain... get it fixed asap the harsh engaments will be damaging to your tranny. p.s. did you do it or who serviced your tranny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladekinslayer Posted July 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 The trany was serviced at a shop, the fluid level is ok , and they rechecked and replaced the filter and seal , no air bubbles that i can see. you where correct on the trans, it is a 4t60. Read the wrong paragraph in the book. l0l. (was tired at the time). (corrected the posts with proper trans) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 sooo... they have replaced the filter twice and it is still having the problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladekinslayer Posted July 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 yes filter and seal replaced twice still haveing problems, so they said... think i'll have a peek for myself, just got a few "fires" to put out around the house first. man what a week! trying to avoid a big repair bill. The wierd thing is that evereything worked fine until the tranny flush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 ah it was flushed was it??.....hmmmm was the tranny ever fliushed before this flush?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 what was the old fluid like? was it burnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairdo12 Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I have had this exact problem exactly how you described it. I had the fluid changed and about a month afterwards it did everything you explained. Everyone at trans shops told me I had an internal leak or something and I would need a 1200 rebuild. I got desperate and bought a can of TransX mechanic in a bottle. Poured it in and the problem went away in about 5 miles of driving. This was 3 years ago... just recently it started again coincidentally a month right after I had my fluid changed. Another bottle of TransX and the problem is completly gone again, and it shifts like a champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladekinslayer Posted July 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 no fluid was not burnt, last trans flushed at about 50000km. just figured it was time for a new change. i did pour a bottle of lucas transmission fix in it, after taking out for a good 60km run on the high way, still the same, after this morning. gonna drive it to work a few more times (= a good 50 km there and back on the highway, to really let the lucas work in.) I am now going to drop the pan to check for myself if everything is ok, on that end. Will post my findings. All be it it seemed to still happen 1 out of 5 times. A little less, but not where it was. @Hairdo12 where did you but this trans x? Was it local or at a specilized shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 A buddy of mine had the same problem on his Cutty, and the guy who serviced it said that the valvebody needed replacing due to one of the accumulator "sleeves" (or whatever you want to call it) being worn out and leaking. In the meantime, while waiting on the valvebody to arrive, he disconnected the electrical connector to the TCC solenoid to get the tranny to shift normally. That got him by until the part arrived... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladekinslayer Posted July 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 A buddy of mine had the same problem on his Cutty, and the guy who serviced it said that the valvebody needed replacing due to one of the accumulator "sleeves" (or whatever you want to call it) being worn out and leaking. In the meantime, while waiting on the valvebody to arrive, he disconnected the electrical connector to the TCC solenoid to get the tranny to shift normally. That got him by until the part arrived... You wouldn't happen to have more info on this valve body? Where is the TCC soleniod located? I do see one electrical connector at the right front of the trans, is that it? I pretty well now this entire car back to front (had it since new). But in the 'trans' area, I'm pretty 'green'. Never had a problem before this with the trans. Just finished dropping the pan to see for myself & everything looks ok from there. Filter sits good & tight. Seal for the filter looks good. Fluid seems ok, no metal found in the pan or fluid. Pretty late now, gonna road treest tommorrow. Thanks for all the suggestions peeps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairdo12 Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 I too tried the Lucas but it did not work. The TransX is much more liquid... I think it is more of a detergent. I just recently saw that Walmart had it stocked, but I bought mine from Autozone. Here is something to try... when it was happening to me, if I shift from park into drive and not over drive there was no problem. It seemed to only happen when my car was in over drive and I hit 4th gear. When I was in just drive I did not have the problem. Remember to remove a little tranny fluid before adding this stuff, you dont want to have it overfilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robby1870 Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 The TCC plug as Disco alluded to is located on the front of the transmission, basically right under the airbox. You should see a black plug with 5 wires going into it. That is the TCC plug. Below it will be the vacuum modulator, big (probably silver or grey) can looking thing with one vacuum line going to it. The vacuum line routes up to the throttle body. Just unplug the electrical connector and see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStudd Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 You wouldn't happen to have more info on this valve body? Where is the TCC soleniod located? I do see one electrical connector at the right front of the trans, is that it? 1.) Pull the trans filter and you'll see it. I wouldn't recommmend removing it on your own unless you have a 4T60 shop/rebuild manual handy.2.) Yep, that's it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 lucas is thick and designed to aid transmission that can't develop enough pressure to operate normally, IMO. The thing about trans-x is that is is actually a fluid thinner and sort of a detergent... It will help to remove clogs and varnish in the transmission that are interfering with normal operation. I would try some of that. I would image that a selonoid or check ball is failing to seal properly until you rev the engine a bit an increase fluid flow. Hopefully trans-x might help elimate any 'gum' that is affecting this sticky part. p.s. if you have not resealed your tranny I like to add a neodymium magnet to the tranny, which is stronger and superior to the original trans magnet. I set it about an inch to the side of the original magnet in the pan which you will discover is far weaker with your next fluid change, when the neodymium magnet holds 90% of the metal crud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassSL91 Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 My '91 does the same thing, but only if I leave in in Overdrive. When I leave it in drive, it won't do it. It was really annoying when I first bought it, because I thought I was going to be stranded at a light. I had the Trans completely checked out, and flushed, and they said it looked perfect. Just put it in drive. not overdrive, when you come to a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LumiDriver Posted July 27, 2006 Report Share Posted July 27, 2006 Surprisingly, I had my Taurus do this. My transmission was leaking fluid from somewhere, and it started doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bladekinslayer Posted July 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2006 Thanks for all the advice, still hunting down the trans X though. Anyone now who supplies this in canada(manitoba prefered)? On holidays now!!!! So I'm gonna go through this sucker with a fine tooth come, or a big hammer! lol! Gotta few other upgrade to do first. Starting at the back and working forward on the car. will keep ya all posted on progress. And the weird thing is if it's in D3 all is good, put it in OD and it starts acting up. hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairdo12 Posted August 1, 2006 Report Share Posted August 1, 2006 http://www.midwayautosupply.com/detailedproductdescription.asp?949 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00030BFFG/sr=1-15/qid=1154394074/ref=sr_1_15/002-8192032-3313665?ie=UTF8&s=automotive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Posted August 3, 2006 Report Share Posted August 3, 2006 well thought out tip for old trannys...not my tip but I follow it..... Do not flush the tranny fluid. Only do a filter and pan fluid change. Flushing is often too cleaning for old trannys and starts leaks inside the system. The crud keeping a seal in the worn out areas gets flushed out and then fluid gets by. Remember: only filter and pan fluid. Do it more often if you worry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mach 5 Posted August 6, 2006 Report Share Posted August 6, 2006 I think its the torque converter. It might be acting up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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