CutlassSL91 Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 First of all i hope this is the right section for this Unfortunatley I have not been given the chance to drive a S/C 3800. But I am wondering, is there really a "world" of difference in the performance of these two engines? I have heard that the S/C can be costly to repair, and there seem to be a LOT more L36's around. Does anyone have any stock 0-60 times to compare these two? I drove a 2002 3800 Gp the other day and for some reason, it didn't seem quite as fast as other 3800's i have driven (P/A, LeSabre, 2004 GP) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 if a world is 40hp then yes. But the L67 has many aftermarket mods, i guess the l36 does also, but that is a turbo kit. 3800 n/a or s/c would be nice in a W either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 I drove a 2002 3800 Gp the other day and for some reason, it didn't seem quite as fast as other 3800's i have driven (P/A, LeSabre, 2004 GP) That's weird... it should seem just as fast (at least pretty damn close to the 04 GP, and FEEL faster than the Buicks...) Yes, there is quite a noticable difference between the 2 engines. Are you thinking of doing a swap or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 The l67 will be faster. But then again, I would get rid of the sc and go with a much more efficient and better power maker, a turbo. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in every l36/l67 car I have ridden in, it just doesn't seem to pull hard. Yeah, they were pretty fast(the l67 car was a mid 13 car), but it didn't have that "throw you back in your seat" pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 GP GTs throw me back in my seat- in comparison to stock 3.4DOHC or 3x00 cars... The buicks and other cars with softer suspension you just don't feel it as much... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted May 25, 2006 Report Share Posted May 25, 2006 The L67 in my friend's Bonneville when we had the suspension in Performance mode, and tranny on Sport shift (maybe I got the two mixed up)...it would throw u into your seat pretty nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Mine sure throws you back in the seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest donkeykongrape Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 even my 3.1 throws me back in my seat (pretty nicely too) from a dead stop up until maybe 3500 RPM, then i watch kids on tricycles zoom past me cause it's so slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Mine sure throws you back in the seat. So does mine! But really, it depends on what you want to do as to what engine would be right for you. Are you planning on doing some mods later on down the road? How much money are you willing to spend? You gotta ask yourself these questions ( you may already know I dont ) and in what direction you want your project to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chadz34 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 I just about shit when I first got mine it threw me in the seat, now I am used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99RegalGS Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 The L67 will have more power everywhere compared to the L36. An L36 can get you into the 13's w/o a power adder, but it will cost you more money to get into the 13's with an L36 than it will with an L67. It all depends how far you want to go with your car. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in every l36/l67 car I have ridden in, it just doesn't seem to pull hard. Yeah, they were pretty fast(the l67 car was a mid 13 car), but it didn't have that "throw you back in your seat" pull. I know what you mean. I think it has a lot to do with the crappy 2.93 gearing. 1st gear in my Regal almost goes as high as 2nd gear in my old Cutlass. 50mph (top of 1st) vs 60mph (top of 2nd). And because the gears are sooooooo long the car doesn't feel like it's accelerating as fast as it really is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 The L67 will have more power everywhere compared to the L36. An L36 can get you into the 13's w/o a power adder, but it will cost you more money to get into the 13's with an L36 than it will with an L67. It all depends how far you want to go with your car. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in every l36/l67 car I have ridden in, it just doesn't seem to pull hard. Yeah, they were pretty fast(the l67 car was a mid 13 car), but it didn't have that "throw you back in your seat" pull. I know what you mean. I think it has a lot to do with the crappy 2.93 gearing. 1st gear in my Regal almost goes as high as 2nd gear in my old Cutlass. 50mph (top of 1st) vs 60mph (top of 2nd). And because the gears are sooooooo long the car doesn't feel like it's accelerating as fast as it really is. With aftermarket PCM's, L67 cars will shift out of first at 56mph (with 6k shift points) and will hit 60 if you hold it in 1st to the limiter, in 2nd they'll go 95 and if you hold to the limiter, 102. So they do go as fast as your Cutlass did in 2nd. An L36 feels just as quick as an L67 car due to the gearing difference. But part of the reason L67 cars feel slow is the tall gearing so you're never really in the powerband, and because they are in big cars that are well insulated. When there is more road noise and the suspension is stiffer and whatnot, the car will feel quicker. Plus with the 2.93 gears is takes forever to get through them so it just seems like its not accelerating fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassSL91 Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 so for everyday driving (not racing or anything much above 40mph, the L36 fells just as quick as an L67 due to the gearing? So maybe I should be looking for (1996-1999) Bonnie SSE's too instead of just ssei's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 so for everyday driving (not racing or anything much above 40mph, the L36 fells just as quick as an L67 due to the gearing? So maybe I should be looking for (1996-1999) Bonnie SSE's too instead of just ssei's. An L67 car is noticably quicker than an L36 car with the same setup, the L67 just doesn't feel much quicker because the gearing plays tricks with your head. You see how it takes so long to go through each gear and you think the car is slower. Don't take what I said to mean that an L36 is just as fast, it just FEELS as fast due to how its set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassSL91 Posted May 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 right, thats what i wondering. well, i don't race much, but if it FEELS just as quick than thats good enough for me. anythings better than this slow ass 3.1 MPFI. Yea i also notice the gearing in my grandparents 1990 Buick Lesabre 3800 makes it feel like a rocket, but the 3800 in newer w-bodies seems to FEEL much slower IMO, most likely the gearing as you said. Now does the SSE bonneville ('96-'99) use the quick shifting trans, or does it delay them longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 right, thats what i wondering. well, i don't race much, but if it FEELS just as quick than thats good enough for me. anythings better than this slow ass 3.1 MPFI. Yea i also notice the gearing in my grandparents 1990 Buick Lesabre 3800 makes it feel like a rocket, but the 3800 in newer w-bodies seems to FEEL much slower IMO, most likely the gearing as you said. Now does the SSE bonneville ('96-'99) use the quick shifting trans, or does it delay them longer? A 1990 Lesabre with a 3800 should have like 2.84 gearing, so it should feel like a turd...especially in a car like that. An a Bonneville probalby has some very soft shifts since its more for cruising so I would imagine the trans doesn't shift very quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdcutty Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in every l36/l67 car I have ridden in, it just doesn't seem to pull hard. Yeah, they were pretty fast(the l67 car was a mid 13 car), but it didn't have that "throw you back in your seat" pull. You rode in mine at the meet didn't you? If not then I guess your statement remains true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CutlassSL91 Posted May 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 A 1990 Lesabre with a 3800 should have like 2.84 gearing, so it should feel like a turd...especially in a car like that. Idk, for some reason that car just has a nice feeling of torque, and it just feels more powerful than others i have driven. IMO, quieter cars seem faster than louder cars, but thats just me. Plus the 1990 LeSabre's had a weight of only 3300 lbs so that helps too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBuiltMine-o1oo Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Mine sure throws you back in the seat. hey dan! Come give me a ride in that thing!!! i gotta decide to go with a 3.8 under boost, or stick with a 3X00 and boost it! I LIKE Josh's car, but honestly ive never been in a hopped up GTP!!! i live in Hoy's court, and im home all the time, cause i just had a baby a couple days aog, and im on my 7 off till friday. number 22, the one with the chopper in the back of the S-10... SEAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl3196 Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Mine sure throws you back in the seat. hey dan! Come give me a ride in that thing!!! i gotta decide to go with a 3.8 under boost, or stick with a 3X00 and boost it! I LIKE Josh's car, but honestly ive never been in a hopped up GTP!!! i live in Hoy's court, and im home all the time, cause i just had a baby a couple days aog, and im on my 7 off till friday. number 22, the one with the chopper in the back of the S-10... SEAN! Hey I'm off thursday, Ill stop by! Where the hell is hoy's court? feel free to take this to a pm lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 An a Bonneville probalby has some very soft shifts since its more for cruising so I would imagine the trans doesn't shift very quick. The 4T60e in my old '94 SSE was right on par with my Regal as far as quick shifting goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBuiltMine-o1oo Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Quick shifts are harder on the rest of the car... Ive always like a soft shift in my Big Block powered Oldsmobiles... I like the way the power is smoother. It just moves the wear to the clutches, instead of the splines, and u joints.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 Quicker shifts ≠ harsher ride quality, or any more wear on the rest of the car. Quick shifts are not synonymous with hard shifts. My Regal shifts pretty quick in Performance Shift mode, but in no way is the shift harsh at all. Just because you have a quick shift doesn't mean you have a shift kit. And personally, even if that was the case, I'd take a little extra wear on my motor mounts instead of my clutchpacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slick Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 I don't know about the rest of you guys, but in every l36/l67 car I have ridden in, it just doesn't seem to pull hard. Yeah, they were pretty fast(the l67 car was a mid 13 car), but it didn't have that "throw you back in your seat" pull. You rode in mine at the meet didn't you? If not then I guess your statement remains true. Nope, but I sure would like to though sometime. Then again, yours is a 5 speed, which is a whole different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryptnix Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 if a world is 40hp then yes. But the L67 has many aftermarket mods, i guess the l36 does also, but that is a turbo kit. 3800 n/a or s/c would be nice in a W either way a SS M90 kit and an intercooler will do just as good if not be faster then a L67 ... and still be just as reliable! SS M90 dyno'd 253/300+ WHP/WTQ ... Add a I/C (another 30 or so HP) and you got yourself almost a 280whp motor pushing somewhere in the area of 370 in wtq ... and a reliable vehicle ... I found my motor for pretty cheap and this is my plan ... either or i am pleased with the choice i made ... so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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