Here we go again...

[jeremy]

I mentioned this in my "Still no Start" thread, but I am starting a new one because I would like to get some more input and so I putting the "new" yet old problem here.

 

I think I am done with this car. I drove down to Jackson to drive it home and got about 4 miles from my mother's house and the car died on the hwy. It acted like it stopped getting fuel. Pulled over to the side of the road and it wouldn't start again. I had to have my mom's neighbor tow it back to her place again. I am going to either sell it or burn it. I really don't want to put another dollar or another minute of my time into it. I have driven it a total of three times since Feb. and it has been nothing but a headache.

 

I have replaced two fuel lines, two vapor canister lines, fuel pump, relay, fuel filter. I fired it up and it ran great for about 20-30 minutes on Monday. I drove it around my mother's neighborhood and it seemed normal, but you have read what happened when I tried to bring her home.

 

Any ideas guys?

[SigEpCutlass]

Are you certain there are no vac leaks?

[19Cutlass94]

Maybe there could have been some water in the fuel. Try putting a bottle of Heat in there and try it again in the AM.

[GutlessSupreme]

It's a long shot, but when my TGP was doing that the wiring at the fuel pump connector (car side) was shorting intermittenly. lucky for you, having it happen while under boost isn't an issue

 

you shouldn't have to drop the tank to take a look at it. pull up the trunk carpet and you can see where it goes through the floorboard. just two screws on the plastic plate to pull it up into the trunk.

 

Probably been asked before, but when there's no start, you're sure you can hear the pump turning on?

[jeremy]

I haven't found any vacuum leaks and it certainly didn't drive like it had them when I ran it for a while on Monday.

 

I had just put $20 of gas in the car about a mile before it died again.

 

Gutlass: I will take a look at that.

 

Thanks to everyone who has chimed in so far [br]Posted on: April 12, 2006, 04:02:47 PM_________________________________________________

 

Probably been asked before, but when there's no start, you're sure you can hear the pump turning on?

 

the first time, I couldn't hear it at all...I was WAY too pissed off to even listen for it yesterday. I am going to lean towards "no", which makes me consider the possibilty of a short or some other problem, not related to the mechanical aspect of the pump

[SigEpCutlass]

It's a long shot, but when my TGP was doing that the wiring at the fuel pump connector (car side) was shorting intermittenly. lucky for you, having it happen while under boost isn't an issue

 

you shouldn't have to drop the tank to take a look at it. pull up the trunk carpet and you can see where it goes through the floorboard. just two screws on the plastic plate to pull it up into the trunk.

 

Probably been asked before, but when there's no start, you're sure you can hear the pump turning on?

 

I would definately look into that considering the fact you're not sure if you heard the pump.

[19Cutlass94]

Theres many places that you could have a bad electrical spot in that. Could bea bad ground somewhere, or like others said, a short. You should hear it, and it is rather loud. If you had the service manual for it, Is say take a look at that and the wiring diagram for the pump, relays etc etc, then find the spec sheet for all that and break out the DMM, and go testing to proper ohm readings, open ( bad ) grounds.

 

 

 

 

BTW, Jermey, done feel bad, I was driving to get some food like maybe 30 minutes ago, and I was at a busy interestion, and a Monte broke down and two guys where pushing it to the nearest parking lot. Dont know what was wrong though..... incase that makes you feel any better..

[GutlessSupreme]

Actually, no, I lied..

 

my short was actually right near the pump. the wires right on top, where they went through the lock-ring plate on the top of the tank. might have a hard time checking that with the tank in :-\

[jeremy]

Actually, no, I lied..

 

my short was actually right near the pump. the wires right on top, where they went through the lock-ring plate on the top of the tank. might have a hard time checking that with the tank in :-\

 

I've dropped the tank twice already and I don't really feel like doing it again right now....guess I will see how motivated I get

[White93z34]

well pull up the carpeting, and get a test light and turn the key and see if it comes on thats probably the best way i can think to see if power is even getting to the back of the car.

 

my offer stands jeremy, i work for whitecastle.. yum.

[jeremy]

I sincerely appreciate the offer Chris. I have nothing but a sour taste in my mouth from this car and I think that I really just need to part ways with it.

[NeonKnight]

you can give it to me i will make her run like a mad man!!

 

<3

 

just take your time and make that car do what you tell it to do. cars do not own us... we own them!

 

FOR THE HORDE

[Guest TurboSedan]

 

I think I am done with this car. I drove down to Jackson to drive it home and got about 4 miles from my mother's house and the car died on the hwy. It acted like it stopped getting fuel. Pulled over to the side of the road and it wouldn't start again. I had to have my mom's neighbor tow it back to her place again. I am going to either sell it or burn it. I really don't want to put another dollar or another minute of my time into it. I have driven it a total of three times since Feb. and it has been nothing but a headache.

 

i know exactly how you feel Jeremy which actually isn't very funny at all i keep going back and forth from liking my STE to absolutely utterly hating it. like you i haven't really driven mine since i got it. it just....sits there....

 

if i were you i would probably just part the car out or sell it. maybe look for a W convertible again and swap the STE's 5-speed over to it or something. i'll likely be doing something like that with mine.

[kknobl]

 

I had just put $20 of gas in the car about a mile before it died again.

 

 

I would also suggest trying to get some fuel treatment such as Heat. If it crapped out on you not to long after you filled it, you could have some bad fuel in there.

 

A couple months back, I gassed up at a Wawa and must have gotten some shit fuel because right after filling it up, the idle got noticeably rough. Put some Heat in there, and problem solved.

 

Kevin

 

 

[jeremy]

I would also suggest trying to get some fuel treatment such as Heat. If it crapped out on you not to long after you filled it, you could have some bad fuel in there.

 

A couple months back, I gassed up at a Wawa and must have gotten some shit fuel because right after filling it up, the idle got noticeably rough. Put some Heat in there, and problem solved.

 

Kevin

 

 

 

I filled up my Spyder at the same station at the same time. Bad gas would still get to the engine, I have the funny feeling that there is no pressure again, which means I have an electrical problem with getting power to the pump.

 

I am considering parting it but would prefer just to get rid of it in one piece

[19Cutlass94]

I know this sounds really dumb, but have you checked the fuses for all the circuits? The electrical problems are a fucking nightmare....

[R Dubya]

I've dropped the tank twice already and I don't really feel like doing it again right now....guess I will see how motivated I get

 

hey, be the optimistic. You are probably getting damn good at dropping that tank.

 

Drop it again, check the wiring, if theres not issues, burn the fucker!!!!

 

or sell it and break even.

[White93z34]

don't feel too bad about the whole ordeal, i had my euro 3.4 for the better part of 2 months before i ever got to drive it.

 

also, have you found if any power is getting the the fuel pump?

[jeremy]

i'm going down to Jackson tomorrow and I am going to quickly check to see if the pump is running or not...

[Crazy K]

in front of the tank, beneath the car, is a 4 wire black(usually) connector, this is where the tank wires feed to the body harness.

 

probe the wires with a multimeter. two are for the pump, and two are for the gauge sender. check for power to the pump there, and for continuity to the circuit to the pump.

off the top of my head,

 

I don't have the color codes handy.. sorry.

 

hey I'll be in detroit this week, tonight through wensday evening. PM me ASAP if you wanna hand!

[jeremy]

I went down to check out the car today. When I initially turned the key I couldn't hear the fuel pump. I accessed the fuel pump wiring though the trunk and couldn't visually see any bad/bare wiring. However moving the wires must have done something because after I inspected the wiring the fuel pump kicked right on. The car started right up like it should. I didn't drive it anywhere though because I would have to find the wiring short/problem before i would drive it again for fear of the pump cutting back off.

 

[19Cutlass94]

Well atleast you know where your problem lies. but if you can move the wires ( and depending on how much ) you might have an exposed wire, so the fix just simply could be electrical tape.

[jeremy]

Well atleast you know where your problem lies. but if you can move the wires ( and depending on how much ) you might have an exposed wire, so the fix just simply could be electrical tape.

 

you could be right, but I think that I am selling it anyway.....

[SigEpCutlass]

Well atleast you know where your problem lies. but if you can move the wires ( and depending on how much ) you might have an exposed wire, so the fix just simply could be electrical tape.

 

I agree. If you found the general visinity, you have less to consider now. However, you may have to drop the tank to find the wire you need to tape.