dbtk2 Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 So lately I've been trying to figure out a solution to my trans problem in my TSTE. A GM trans won't last, my rebuilt trans won't last, and to be honest as much as I'd like a 5 speed, I don't like the gearing of any of the 282's or 284's, and I just don't think the car would be what I want it to be. So, what I am thinking is that I could try to convince GM to just refund me for my trans since it was only in the car for 6 weeks, and the car was only driven 4 weeks with it in there. The trans has a 3 year/100k mile warranty, so obviously 4 weeks is WAYYYY less than that. If I can get them to give me a full or partial refund for it, then I could pull the Turbo 3.1, and swap in an L67. From what I'm told there is one in a local yard that is engine/trans/wiring/pcm/etc.... for $900 with a little over 100k on it. This would put me ahead money even if it cost me a few hundred to install it. The car will be almost as quick as I would like with just the swap, and it wouldn't take much to make it as quick as I want to run in it. So, while I know what you guys are probably going to say, who thinks I should do this? And if you don't think I should, what option would you go with and why. I don't plan on selling the car because I have WAY too much money into it and could never get back even half of my investment. Plus it was my first car so it has sentimental value. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Personally I think you should sell your car as is. Some people here would just love to have a maroon STE with a 3100 top end swap already completed, and most are probably willing to deal with a Getrag or might have cash laying around for a hardcore 4T60 build. Please don't put an L67 into a car that was 1 of 1000. That's like me.. I was consdering swapping a 3400 into my car and turboing that, if not for the displacement then for the better oiling, but to me it just wouldn't be a TSTE anymore. I would've rather picked up an N/A car and down such a swap. Pick up a newer 1st gen with a blown motor or something and do the swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 If someone will give me $7k for it with a blown trans as is then I will sell........ I can't afford to sell it. The car is already ruined since all the engine work was done. It will never be worth anything due to its rarity because its been molested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 $7k? Not everyone wants COMPLETE originality, we all love mods.. but actually swapping the block does take away from it. Refund the trans, get your $2k back orwhatever. Get maybe $1500 for the car (I think it would be worth that, depending on body/paint, mileage, interior etc.) From the way it looks its in good shape and people who want to do that top end swap, for the most part, would definetly rather already have it done. Pick up a non-running newer GP for a few hundred bucks, probably ~$800 at most. Add motor, $900. Add swap parts $1000? Even if you don't make $1500 off your car, you can still probably break even, if not pull out ahead. But in my opinion, having the top end swap/cam is most definetly going to help your sale price, trans or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeZ34 Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 What about a turbo 3800 swap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 $7k? Not everyone wants COMPLETE originality, we all love mods.. but actually swapping the block does take away from it. Refund the trans, get your $2k back orwhatever. Get maybe $1500 for the car (I think it would be worth that, depending on body/paint, mileage, interior etc.) From the way it looks its in good shape and people who want to do that top end swap, for the most part, would definetly rather already have it done. Pick up a non-running newer GP for a few hundred bucks, probably ~$800 at most. Add motor, $900. Add swap parts $1000? Even if you don't make $1500 off your car, you can still probably break even, if not pull out ahead. But in my opinion, having the top end swap/cam is most definetly going to help your sale price, trans or not. The point is, I'm not gonna sell the car. I don't want to. Unless of course someone came up to me with enough cash ($7k or close to it like state above which is still less than I have into it) then they could have it. I could care less if it has the original engine. I plan on driving it for a while. The idea is that I would pull the turbo 3.1 out and keep it stashed somewhere. Then maybe 10 years down the road if I decide to ditch the car, put the engine back in it and figure out what to do for a trans. I'm trying to make the car reliable because I can't afford to keep throwing a couple hundred into it here and there to be able to drive it. I like the car, its comfortable, looks good, the drivetrain just isn't reliable and I'm sick of it. As much as I'd like to keep this engine in the car and run 12's with it (my original plan) it just isn't practical and is going to end up costing me way more than I can afford. Selling the car is not in any way shape or form an option. At this point in time, it means WAY too much to me. It was my first car and I'd like to keep it for a while. Plus I like how it looks and its comfortable and whatnot, I just don't see why I would want to ditch it and start with a regular run of the mill GP that I wouldn't like. And, to be completely honest, the engine really needs to be torn back down. It needs a new dist. o-ring because the one that is in it is leaking, and it really needs the newer 3100 topend instead of the small port stuff. It also needs tons of chip work because while it runs well, there are a lot of little driveability issues it has and it spits and sputters under certain throttle sometimes. I just get on the gas a little more or less to make it go away but the chip really should be worked on. Plus due to the chip not being right the gas mileage went right down the damn toilet, it used to get a good 32mpg on the freeway or more, now it only gets about 24ish. Plus it needs injectors. It just needs all kinds of work. But OTHER than the drivetrain, the rest of the car is pretty nice and doesn't need much. What about a turbo 3800 swap? I was thinking that, and it would be cool. It might be something to do in the future, but I can't get a complete 3800 turbo engine w/ trans for $900. I was thinking that I might eventually get a turbo kit for it so it still is a turbo car. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 i would still go with the J/L 282 with your current 3x00 topend turbo 3.1 engine. use some 245 tires and a bigger turbo - i would think a little more lag would be somewhat of a "traction control". i hit 325wtq at 3200 RPM with the TGP turbo, 225s and a W-body 282...it's no wonder i can't get traction until 3rd gear. you might consider 2-stage boost control if you're still spinning tire in 2nd gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z284pwr Posted March 7, 2006 Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Well, not to be mean... I'm trying to make the car reliable because I can't afford to keep throwing a couple hundred into it here and there to be able to drive it. I like the car, its comfortable, looks good, the drivetrain just isn't reliable and I'm sick of it. As much as I'd like to keep this engine in the car and run 12's with it (my original plan) it just isn't practical and is going to end up costing me way more than I can afford. Stop beating the living shit out of the thing first Constant tire spinning, constant 100+ MPH runs, etc. etc. on a transmission which we all know isn't that strong in the first place, what do you expect? Treat the thing nice and only jump on it once in a while, it will amazingly become a lot more reliable and run long without destroying a transmission. Find a way to stop spinning the tires and putting shit tons of torque thru the thing and it would probably last longer. I semi agree with Josh there, a bigger turbo would help, but not that much. A bigger turbo will yeah spool slower, but pretty much anything before 3500 with instant 10psi of boost will do bad things but it will prevent the tons of torque on bottom end that hurts the trans so much :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2006 Well, not to be mean...I'm trying to make the car reliable because I can't afford to keep throwing a couple hundred into it here and there to be able to drive it. I like the car, its comfortable, looks good, the drivetrain just isn't reliable and I'm sick of it. As much as I'd like to keep this engine in the car and run 12's with it (my original plan) it just isn't practical and is going to end up costing me way more than I can afford. Stop beating the living shit out of the thing first Constant tire spinning, constant 100+ MPH runs, etc. etc. on a transmission which we all know isn't that strong in the first place, what do you expect? Treat the thing nice and only jump on it once in a while, it will amazingly become a lot more reliable and run long without destroying a transmission. Find a way to stop spinning the tires and putting shit tons of torque thru the thing and it would probably last longer. I semi agree with Josh there, a bigger turbo would help, but not that much. A bigger turbo will yeah spool slower, but pretty much anything before 3500 with instant 10psi of boost will do bad things but it will prevent the tons of torque on bottom end that hurts the trans so much :shock: Once I put the last trans in I didn't really beat the shit out of it much. There were a couple times that I got on it, but I should be able to. Getting on it on the highway shouldn't be any problem for it to be able to handle either and I didn't really do that much either. I'm pretty sure this trans wasn't right to begin with. I don't do constat 0-100mph runs, in fact I did a total of two with this transmission, only because I was trying to figure out what my 02's were to know where to set my boost since my injectors are too small. And two runs like that shouldn't be too much to ask from that trans. The thing is, I want to be able to have the power, why wouldn't I? I also want to be able to get on it from time to time. And its not like I want to spin the tires, I try not to most times, its just with the power it has tire spin is a result. Its not like I constantly drive around beating the shit out if it. In fact 1000+ of the 1500 miles I put on it were highway driving. Another couple hundred was probably two lane back roads just cruising at 60ish, occasionally going WOT from like 50-80 to pass a car. And the remaining couple hundred was around town city driving. Thats why I think I want to do a swap. My moms SSEi gets beat on twice as hard as my TSTE ever did and with over 160k on it the trans is still holding up great. The car is also modded and runs high 13's. High 13's + 4000lb. car + 160k miles + being beat on = the trans must be pretty damn strong. The L67+4t65e-hd combo is just much more reliable making the kind of power I want (which is really just a mid 13 second car). I'm not saying with my grandma driving my car the trans wouldn't last longer, because I'm sure it would, but I want to be able to beat on it, and with how I want to treat the car my current setup isn't working out very well, which is why I want to go with something a little stronger, and at the the same time why not get a better aftermarket. Plus, if the 4t65e-hd goes there are actually better internals available for it so I can build it up. My dads GTP is an 11 second car. However he drives the thing everyday and also beats on it way more than you could even possibly beat on my TSTE and it just takes it. He has had no failures at all, and the car is reliable, and still kills my STE's gas mileage. He gets close to 30mpg on the freeway, and before the cam & gears he was getting 37mpg on the freeway and running 12.4's! So obviously a setup like this would suit me better which is why I'm considering it. Better gas mileage is obviously a plus, more power is a plus, and a stronger engine/trans combo is obviously another plus. i would still go with the J/L 282 with your current 3x00 topend turbo 3.1 engine. use some 245 tires and a bigger turbo - i would think a little more lag would be somewhat of a "traction control". i hit 325wtq at 3200 RPM with the TGP turbo, 225s and a W-body 282...it's no wonder i can't get traction until 3rd gear. you might consider 2-stage boost control if you're still spinning tire in 2nd gear. The tires I have now stick pretty good and going from some 225's to 245's isn't going to make a huge difference. It will help but the difference won't be huge. When my tires I currently have wear out then I'll probably go to something a little wider (was looking at some 255's a little while ago) but it has some fairly sticky tires on it now. I am still using the stock boost controller with the boost ramp and all but the damn thing still spools at under 2k rpms. I have been considering a dual stage boost controller and was about to buy one when the trans went. I was planning on getting one when I got my paycheck which was like 2 days after the trans went. I was also planning on going to a bigger turbo as well, but thats not cheap so it was gonna be a while. I've been planning a GT2871R for a while. The thing about it is, I am looking to run reliable low-mid 13's and I'm not too sure a 282 will hold up to that. Even brainteel said the 282 he had in the L67/282 car wasn't seeming too healthy when he pulled the engine and he was planning on swapping it with a different one IIRC. Plus I'd have to find a w-body 282 donor car AND a j/l 282. And while I could do all that, and the car would probably be a lot more relaible, it would still cost a lot more than this L67 swap would. If the complete L67 setup wasn't this cheap I wouldn't be considering it. Like I said I've been debating all kinds of different setups, and while each one is unique in its own way, the L67 is the cheapest route, and as much as I really don't want to get rid of turbo 3.1 setup just because I've never got so many looks in my life as I did when I pulled it in the shop at school and opened the hood, I just think from a $ vs. reliability vs. power standpoint the the L67 just seems like the cheapest way to go. Then I could keep the turbo 3.1 and when I am out of school and have some more money available I can dig up all the parts I need to do what I want to do. The setup I want is pretty much exactly what Josh suggested, a 282, 2871R turbo, dual stage boost controller, and 255/50/16 tires preferably something AA traction obviously, but I also want to replace the older 3100 stuff that I have with the larger port stuff, and I want to put some 1.6 roller rockers in for more lift. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1kicker Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A L67 swap now wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would get a lower mileage engine now so you could possibly turbo it in the future. Or if pulling the motor is no big deal, a budget swap now and drop a built motor later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A L67 swap now wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would get a lower mileage engine now so you could possibly turbo it in the future. Or if pulling the motor is no big deal, a budget swap now and drop a built motor later. The idea is a budget swap now so I can save up money to do the LG5 the right way and drop that back in eventually. Of course I would mod the budget L67 mildly while it is in the car, but only minor stuff like pulley, rockers, etc... Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z284pwr Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 A L67 swap now wouldn't be a bad idea, but I would get a lower mileage engine now so you could possibly turbo it in the future. Or if pulling the motor is no big deal, a budget swap now and drop a built motor later. The idea is a budget swap now so I can save up money to do the LG5 the right way and drop that back in eventually. Of course I would mod the budget L67 mildly while it is in the car, but only minor stuff like pulley, rockers, etc... Shawn Forgot to mention in my last post, I say do it, that would be frickin sweet I don't care if its like 1 or 2, its your car, you do with it as you please, that would be excellent fun and yes, from your stories of the Bonny and your dad's GTP, hell yes go for it, I would love to swap a 4T65-E-HD. Now one of those behind your setup would be nice as well I'll bet if it worked.....If you can get the stuff cheap enough and it works, go for it.....Make sure to get steel idler pullys though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 just swap in a 282 or a 284..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 detune it to an extent, put a new trans in it, drive it nicer, put all modding want into your TA, a T5 can withstand alot more then any of our trannies, and use the TSTE as a daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 detune it to an extent, put a new trans in it, drive it nicer, put all modding want into your TA, a T5 can withstand alot more then any of our trannies, and use the TSTE as a daily. I am not doing anything to the T/A. It is for sale and I haven't driven it since I bought my '99 GP. (almost 3 weeks now) I'm not really at a point where I can have a "race car," which is all I ever bought it for, and I don't really need 3 cars and can't really afford 3 cars so it doesn't make sense to keep it. I have a car to drive everyday, thats why I bought the '99. It will get some mods to make it a little more fun to drive but nothing too serious. I want my STE to be my fun car to drive on weekends or whatever, and I really don't want it for drag racing (would like to make a couple passes to see what it does) I just want something that is reliable that I can drive when I want and not have to worry about if its gonna break or not. just swap in a 282 or a 284..... I would like to. However like I said, there really aren't any 282's or 284's that have what I feel would be useful gears. Plus I'd have to get a w-body donor car, plus a J/L 282 (since to me that seems to be the best gearing option). And all of that, plus a clutch that would actually handle the power (spec stage 3 runs $350), and I think it would definately end up costing more than $900, but maybe I'm wrong. I just don't think I can do a 5 speed swap that is actually nicely done with a clutch that can handle the power for what I can put an L67 in the car for. Realistically, from someone whos done the swap before, what would it realistically cost to do a 282 swap? (based on typical prices that I would actually be able to find, not some awesome deal you happened to stumble across) Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac6KSTEAWD Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 I say keep fighting with the dealer, until they get the tranny right. This was 1700 bucks for the tranny installed wasnt it? They obviously put in a 4t60 and not the HD model. Either that, get your money refunded, and find a professional rebuilder and have it done right. I am also shopping around for a tranny, not becuase I need one, but I think I will be needing one soon. And I found one shop that says he knows a little something about how to make the 4t60HD into a tranny that is purely indestructable. He has this tranny in his fiero indy with a 383 stroker engine and 425 horse. I havent seen it, but if what he is telling me is true. This is the guy I will probly be going with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 alistically, from someone whos done the swap before, what would it realistically cost to do a 282 swap? (based on typical prices that I would actually be able to find, not some awesome deal you happened to stumble across) I know that tony (5speedz34) has a complete 282 parts car with only 5k on the tranny that he will let go quite cheap...and you can get ANY transmission at Parts Galore (j/y) for $137.50 with a warranty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 shawn, that engine has 123k miles on it...fathead called me up and told me about it because i'm planning on doing the swap, i had to turn it down cause thats just a few too many miles to be on an engine i'm swapping in, but...HEY...if thats what u wanna do, i say go for it!...besides, its gonna have to be torn down anywayz cause the car its in was rolled over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 alistically, from someone whos done the swap before, what would it realistically cost to do a 282 swap? (based on typical prices that I would actually be able to find, not some awesome deal you happened to stumble across) I know that tony (5speedz34) has a complete 282 parts car with only 5k on the tranny that he will let go quite cheap...and you can get ANY transmission at Parts Galore (j/y) for $137.50 with a warranty. He wants like $600 for that car, plus I don't have a trailer to come get it and using my buddies would end up being a PITA. And apparantly its too much work to put the engine back together so its drivable. Then getting a J/L tranny for it (where is this place that sells them for $137.50????), and a GOOD clutch ($350), and its already gonna cost as much, if not more than the L67 swap. Then I'll have an extra car sitting around. Realistically I'd have to pull all the 282 stuff off the car in a weekend then send it to a j/y to get rid of it right away or my parents would kill me. shawn, that engine has 123k miles on it...fathead called me up and told me about it because i'm planning on doing the swap, i had to turn it down cause thats just a few too many miles to be on an engine i'm swapping in, but...HEY...if thats what u wanna do, i say go for it!...besides, its gonna have to be torn down anywayz cause the car its in was rolled over Fathead told me the miles were around 110k or something like that. 123k is in that range and IMO isn't that bad, not for $900 anyways. I mean for one with like 50-60k it runs twice that. And yes I know its gonna have to be torn down, but I wouldn't buy a used engine and put it in without tearing it down anyways. I would really like to keep the turbo 3.1 setup in the car. But for the money I just don't think I can beat the L67 swap. Because even if I did do a 5 speed for the same or less cost I'd still have a car that smokes when I sit at stoplights, misses at certain amounts of throttle at certain rpms, needs bigger fuel injectors, and leaks oil (dist. o-ring). Thats why I'm thinking do the L67 swap so I can have a car that runs times that I would actually like it to run without breaking everyday while I'm in school and don't really have the time/money to mess with it. And then over time gather together everything I need, build up the turbo 3.1/5 speed how I want and then drop that back in and get to work on the chip. Then the car should be a lot more reliable and run the kind of times I want it to. I say keep fighting with the dealer, until they get the tranny right. This was 1700 bucks for the tranny installed wasnt it? They obviously put in a 4t60 and not the HD model. Either that, get your money refunded, and find a professional rebuilder and have it done right. I am also shopping around for a tranny, not becuase I need one, but I think I will be needing one soon. And I found one shop that says he knows a little something about how to make the 4t60HD into a tranny that is purely indestructable. He has this tranny in his fiero indy with a 383 stroker engine and 425 horse. I havent seen it, but if what he is telling me is true. This is the guy I will probly be going with. It was almost $1800 for the tranny delievered to my house. I had to install it. Plus there was a $250 core charge. Thats why I'm just trying to get my money refunded because I don't think a stock trans is gonna work very well. (says this one and the two before that) I haven't been able to find any shops that can do anything to make a 4t60hd any stronger, most of them have never even heard of the tranny. (must be some pretty nice shops ) And I'm betting any that can would charge me probably as much as I paid for the one thats in it now that I am trying to get refunded for. Also keep in mind an indy fiero is a good 800lbs. lighter on my car (which is significant for the trans) and that 383 probably doesn't have torque that is so violent. I'm sure it has more torque than the 3.1, don't get me wrong, but it probably isn't at 2000rpms and it probably isn't all the sudden like it is with the LG5. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 ..it seems like your mind is already made up regardless of what anyone on here says, so go do what you want to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joberlee Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 i've got a 48k mile TGP motor and a rebuilt beefed up trans with about 10k on it that i'll sell you for $1000. you just have to take the whole car with it. http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38842 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 You have a 99 GP GT... why don't you just drive that around, and park the STE until you have the money to do the things you want to with the TGP motor?? ... unless you really don't care about that engine and want a L67 anyways, then do that and sell the 3.1turbo.. I really can't beleive that there isn't ANY place that CAN'T build up a 4T60HD properly. If not that then put in a 5-speed (if money is an issue, re-read the first part of my post). ..it seems like your mind is already made up regardless of what anyone on here says, so go do what you want to do... And hell, I WISH I was in your situation, I HAVE to drive my car as a daily... I'd love to be able to just buy another car (like A GP GT or something reliable) and put away my 95 for a project... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bake82 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 You have a 99 GP GT... why don't you just drive that around, and park the STE until you have the money to do the things you want to with the TGP motor?? ... unless you really don't care about that engine and want a L67 anyways, then do that and sell the 3.1turbo.. I really can't beleive that there isn't ANY place that CAN'T build up a 4T60HD properly. If not that then put in a 5-speed (if money is an issue, re-read the first part of my post). ..it seems like your mind is already made up regardless of what anyone on here says, so go do what you want to do... And hell, I WISH I was in your situation, I HAVE to drive my car as a daily... I'd love to be able to just buy another car (like A GP GT or something reliable) and put away my 95 for a project... I think Dave's idea is the best solution to your problem. Instead of wasting your $$ on the L67 swap, save that and put it towards your 3.1 turbo project and do it right. I say waste because it sounds like you still want to eventually use the 3.1 turbo in the car. I'd drive your 99 GP gt around(isn't that why you got it anyways, for a daily driver??) and save the $$ up to do a 3.1 turbo/5 speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted March 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 And hell, I WISH I was in your situation, I HAVE to drive my car as a daily... I'd love to be able to just buy another car (like A GP GT or something reliable) and put away my 95 for a project... It WAS my only car. When the trans went the first time I was walking. Then when it got fixed the first time I bought a $200 beater so I could put the STE away for the winter and the NEXT day the trans went. So I drove my $200 beater for 5 months. When I got my tax return I sold the beater (for $250) to pay for gas to go to PA and back to buy skalors lumina with my tax return money. Sold the Lumina (for $1200) to buy the Trans Am (for $1500). And if I get what I want out of the T/A I won't have lost too much money going from an '86 to a '99 as a daily driver since I paid $2k for the GP. I have slowly worked my way up to a reliable car. Its not like I really want to have 2 cars, registration and insurance is not cheap, and paying it for 2 cars isn't really that much fun. The only reason I have any cars other than the STE is because its not reliable. If the STE would've never blown the 2nd transmission it would still to this day be my only car. (besides the beater I bought for the winter which would've been sold) You have a 99 GP GT... why don't you just drive that around, and park the STE until you have the money to do the things you want to with the TGP motor?? I want something I can drive now that runs 13's. Thats the point of the L67 swap so I can still have a car that isn't a slow turd while actually building up the powertrain I would like. I have quite a few friends with Mustangs, Camaros, RX7's, etc.. that run in the high 12 second range all the way to high 14's, and its just more fun when you have something that is at least somewhere in the middle of that. And I've always pretty much had something in that range and its just something I don't have right now that I would like to. Its no fun when you can't play with the 5.0's. Plus the STE has been parked for 16 months if you forget about the 1 month that I actually got to drive it with a trans that worked. And when you have $7k invested into a car, and your annual income is barely $7k, it really gets to you that you can't drive it. I don't really want to park it for another 16 months. Its been parked long enough I want to drive it! In hindsight I should've just bought a '97+ GTP when the trans went the first time, but hey can't do anything about that now. Its just that it was my first car and I've done a lot of work on it so I'm kinda attached. ..it seems like your mind is already made up regardless of what anyone on here says, so go do what you want to do... Not really. I would really like to keep the turbo 3.1 in the car. I just don't see a solution that would allow me to keep that engine in the car and run mid 13's like I'd like reliably with a budget of around $1200. If someone can help me find everything I need for a 282 swap and help me with a 5 speed chip for it and have it all said and done for what the L67 swap would cost I'd do it right away. I just think that $ vs. reliability and speed the L67 is a better way to go. That way I can actually source all the parts and make sure I have everything before putting the engine back in. In the end I want to end up with a 5 speed LG5. You don't know the number of times I've almost done a 5 speed swap. I've been SOOO close so many times. Where is that j/y you were talking about??? Do they have a website or something? I might need to go check that place out... Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 i've got a 48k mile TGP motor and a rebuilt beefed up trans with about 10k on it that i'll sell you for $1000. you just have to take the whole car with it. http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38842 looks like this guy could solve your problem, offer him like $800 and see if he bites the bullet. then rip out the tranny and stuff it in the easter egg. . that sucks though compared to my deal. I bought a junk TGP for $225 and got the whole front clip off it. got a spare tranny and motor laying around. all original TGP tranny like the one you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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