dman Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I have a 92 euro with a 3.1. it surges when it reaches 4000 rpm in park. same surges/stumbles when in drive not in reverse. changed MAP, ECM with same prom. reset idle speed. no cmputer codes. replaced three coils and ign module. fuel pump pressure is 40 psi and steady while surging. surges occcur while accelerating in drive and may die when coasting. any ideas? does this car have a rev limiter. what about the knock sensor? what would happen if the knock sensor was bad? tks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 maybe reving to 4k in park isnt so good for the engine... i know my car will retard the throttle if i rev it in park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Did you try plugs? wires? fuel filter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 If the knock sensor was bad, you would have a SES light and a code 43, and you would just be sluggish all around. That most likely is not your problem. My gut says your Park/Neutral switch is somehow out of whack. If you don't get a surge in Reverse (how would you go about testing that, anyway? ) but you get it in Park and Drive, that says there's a problem. Maybe I'm off, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 sorry I missed the reving in park, part. Does it do this in drive above 4k or at wot? if not I wouldnt worry about it, cuz I mean cmon who revs it in park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 in park surges start @4k. in drive, holding brake surges throughout full rpm range. in rev, holding brake, no suges. new fuel filter. plugs & wires less than 5000 miles. where is the park/neutral switch and how could that be related. not sure what it does and how it works. thks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 is anyone else confused readin that? are you talkin about the engine not idling evenly through the rpm range when your doing that or am i reading this completley wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 maybe a vacuum leak... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 this is moms grocery getter. i said surges but it is more like sputters and light backfire in drive from idle through the gears. WOT seems to be ok, but WOT is not always best for a 65 yr old granny!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 then its more like a vacumm leak then. cuz at WOT, theres next to no vacuum, but when its idling if theres a vacuum problem, youll notice it, even when driving it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 checked for leaking vacuum. theres only three lines. all are good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 If you don't get a surge in Reverse (how would you go about testing that, anyway? ) I have bounced off the rev limiter several times with my car in reverse......when getting unstuck from deep snow, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 are you talkin about surging like this... this was constant pressure on the gas, it just bounces like mad when you get high enough on the throttle... completley different cars but i dunno http://media.putfile.com/MVI_0012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19Cutlass94 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Thats a good surge EDIT: took the pic out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 lol i dont know what happend there i thought i caught it quick enough but i guess not the link i wanted to put there is there now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 yes, steady accelleration. bouncing like mad is a pretty good discription. also spitting and sputtering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam'ron Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 would there be a limiter like on my monte on the older cars? my guess is it is there to prevent damage from over revving the engine unnescesssarily... never spell that right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 yes constant pressure on the gas. bouncing like mad is a pretty good discription. also spitting and sputtering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 does the limit happen in the ECM or is it a speed sensor on the crank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dman Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 does anyone know where the vacuum ball or the canister is on my 92 euro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3pt1lumina Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Front drivers fender. Take the inner plastic fender off and bingo, there ya go. FYI, my 90 Lumina 3.1 has a rev limiter at 4k in park/neutral. If you are revving it up and that's occurring, well, then you are hitting the limiter. That's not so good for the motor either. I'm real confused reading this post. and yes nametnom your car has a limiter too at 4k. So does my mom's 03 Impala, and every other car that I know of except my old school rides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Front drivers fender. Take the inner plastic fender off and bingo, there ya go. FYI, my 90 Lumina 3.1 has a rev limiter at 4k in park/neutral. If you are revving it up and that's occurring, well, then you are hitting the limiter. That's not so good for the motor either. I'm real confused reading this post. and yes nametnom your car has a limiter too at 4k. So does my mom's 03 Impala, and every other car that I know of except my old school rides. He's correct. I believe the ECM/PCM cuts off the fule injectors when you hit the rev limiter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm totally confused by your description of the problem, but reading your further comments, I stand by my original hypothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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