rudefyet Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Ok...here's the kicker...I thought it was just a fuel pump on my GP, but it's a little more advanced I'm getting barely any fuel pressure and no spark, it turns over continuiosly to no avail, and never threw any sort of code before I thought it was just the fuel pump, but me and my neighbor tried to get it started with starting fluid for the past hour, it won't fire at all.. any ideas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac6KSTEAWD Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 No spark? hmm, bad crank position sensor, or bad ignition control module, or bad coil(s). No spark out of any of the 6 leads? Low fuel? Clogged fuel filter, bad fuel pump, bad fuel pressure regulator. Dont know what you have replaced, so i dont know what to suggest.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 ok...coils and ICM are only a few months old as for the fuel filter, i was going to replace that just to make sure and as for spark, i'd have to check more closely, i only assumed no spark since it wouldn't fire off starting fluid what size wreches will i need for the fuel filter? just so i know before i go out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac6KSTEAWD Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 I would also suggest taking off your oil cap, looking in the cap at the rocker in there, and have someone turn it over. If it moves, at least your timing chain is still attached. If it doesnt move, well..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontiac6KSTEAWD Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 Actually, I think it could be either quick disconnect or wrenchs. My 90 TGP does not have the quick disconnect.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted February 20, 2006 Report Share Posted February 20, 2006 i've always used a set of vice grips and a 16mm to get at the fuel filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 IIRC: 20mm is for the filter itself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 You forgot already?! 16mm for the line 20mm for the filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 haha sorry...i wasn't the one wrenching on it I can't belive you guys let me just stand around...next time give me something to do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 took me a whole 5 minutes to change the fuel filter boy did that make a difference....i have insane fuel pressure now, but for some reason it still won't start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryk2003 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 check for spark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 took me a whole 5 minutes to change the fuel filter boy did that make a difference....i have insane fuel pressure now, but for some reason it still won't start Is the fuel pump running? When you put the car to the "on" position does it run and prime for a few seconds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 yep it runs...like i said i have plenty of fuel pressure as for spark...i dunno yet i'll check some more stuff over in a bit, i need a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 righto...took out a plug and set it on the frame so it would be grounded...cranked the engine and got nothing so there's definitely no spark ICM/Coilpacks are maybe 6 months old, tops. So i dunno what to do next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 crank position sensor!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 where is it?....my manual just says "side of the block" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 good place to look! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 ROTFL I had to! sorry!!!! You must roll the engine forward. It is below the alternator on the 3.1. and be careful, the knock sensor is right by it,m and is is a very good idea to disconnect the plug from the knock sensor. If you wait till I visit, I will bring a rachet strap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 well i got the bolt out for it, but the damn sensor will not come out of the block Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 spin it spray it with carb cleaner and just keep on spining it slowly try to ease it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 well i got the bolt out for it, but the damn sensor will not come out of the block They break really easily, there is a write-up in FAQ's. I say take off your ICM, and at least get it checked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 yep...i broke it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 shit! I'll be happy to help when i visit! PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudefyet Posted February 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 IT'S ALIVE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy Posted February 25, 2006 Report Share Posted February 25, 2006 IT'S ALIVE! so what was it??? ....and I am PISSED that you got your fuel filter off so easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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