RedGTP Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 Hello, I made some research on the forum. I did not find anything on this subject... I am making a swap manual in my GTP 1994, I have all which I have of need to make my swap (cable shifter, brake booster etc etc etc) but, I do not know if my HM-284 will hold out of with the millage which it has, I would like to know if ever not 284 scrap, if I can all simply put one 282 at place or if it is necessary to change another things. thank you very much Quote
Psych0matt Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 how many miles are on the 284? from what i understand, the 284 is stronger and will hold up better, but im sure some others might know more. Quote
Bake82 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Posted January 16, 2006 From my understanding, the ONLY thing the same is the Clutch pedal. Everything is different. So if you wanted to switch from 284 to 282 you would need to change cables, clutch master, slave, mount, clutch, flywheel. Quote
GOT2B GM Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 284 utilizes a pull type clutch and the 282 a push type. Quote
RedGTP Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Posted January 17, 2006 humm.. aprox 170k kilos.. but the oil is very black.. 1 pint does added.. and when I buy my z34 .. the Reverse was make some .. (grich grich) not able to put in reverse if my car run.. stop engine, put reverse .. and after restart the car ... may-be only my clutch was scrap .. because my feet was in the floor in each speed.... :S Quote
dohcfiend Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 from what i hear, the 284's last. i hear they are rated to 300+ ft/pd i believe so unless you have a nasty lq1, it should hold up without a hitch. the 88 year 282 flywheel will interchange with the 284(i believe it is 88 or whatever year range is neutrally balanced) Quote
1990lumina Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 And the gear ratios are different between the two as well I think?? Quote
GutlessSupreme Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 And the gear ratios are different between the two as well I think?? yea... the 284 has longer gearing. 282 was geared shorter for the pushrod motors. Unfortunetly even 5th is higher than 4th on the 4T60... so much for better gas mileage. Quote
GOT2B GM Posted January 17, 2006 Report Posted January 17, 2006 yea... the 284 has longer gearing. 282 was geared shorter for the pushrod motors. Unfortunetly even 5th is higher than 4th on the 4T60... so much for better gas mileage. If 5th in the 284 was higher than the 4th on the 4t60, wouldn't that be better gas mileage??? Quote
dbtk2 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 yea... the 284 has longer gearing. 282 was geared shorter for the pushrod motors. Unfortunetly even 5th is higher than 4th on the 4T60... so much for better gas mileage. If 5th in the 284 was higher than the 4th on the 4t60, wouldn't that be better gas mileage??? He means numerically higher. IIRC its like .78 or something (thats not exact but its around there) for 5th in the 284, whereas it is .7 on the 4t60. Shawn Quote
birdman Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 you can get the good gearing with the 282 you just need one from a W41 and the bell housing from a 2.8 or 3.1. Quote
RedGTP Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Posted January 18, 2006 .. my question please ! lol Quote
dbtk2 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 you can get the good gearing with the 282 you just need one from a W41 and the bell housing from a 2.8 or 3.1. No, the W41 trans was even shorter gears!!! We want longer ones! I had a W40 calais, which had similar gears to the W41's, and they were short enough. The thing only went 60 in 2nd and thats at 7200rpm!!! With a pushrod 60* were talking like 5500rpm, which would be like 50 or maybe even a little less. Way too short of gears for me. But who wants a 282 anyways? Other than them being a lot cheaper and whatnot. A 284 is way stronger. Shawn Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 18, 2006 Report Posted January 18, 2006 But who wants a 282 anyways? Other than them being a lot cheaper and whatnot. A 284 is way stronger. Shawn there are definately more advantages to using a 282 over a 284 than price alone. the 282 can be rebuilt whereas the 284 cannot, the 282 can be found anywhere whereas the 284 is pretty hard to find, the 282 clutch is much less expensive, the 282 is lighter etc. i'm putting alot of power through my 282, and so far it's held up great - with alot of abuse. even with 325wtq the $150 Luk RepSet clutch kit has not slipped once yet. i myself would not want to use a 284, but then again i don't have a 3.4 DOHC. RedGTP - you would need to use W-body 282 axles, 282 clutch, flywheel, W-body 282 clutch master cylinder and slave cylinder. i think the 284 even uses different shifter cables. there are alot of differences between the 282 and 284 W-bodies. Quote
RedGTP Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Posted January 18, 2006 thank'S TurboSedan I have all stuf for a 284 nothing for 282 ... :S .. I will put a 284 .. and I esparate don't scrap after 2 month .. :S I make the swap ..it's a little big job.. lol I don't have garage.. I'm on lawn .. Quote
birdman Posted January 19, 2006 Report Posted January 19, 2006 you can get the good gearing with the 282 you just need one from a W41 and the bell housing from a 2.8 or 3.1. No, the W41 trans was even shorter gears!!! We want longer ones! I had a W40 calais, which had similar gears to the W41's, and they were short enough. The thing only went 60 in 2nd and thats at 7200rpm!!! With a pushrod 60* were talking like 5500rpm, which would be like 50 or maybe even a little less. Way too short of gears for me. But who wants a 282 anyways? Other than them being a lot cheaper and whatnot. A 284 is way stronger. Shawn Lq1 remember, not pushrod v6 so even turbosedan told me that a tranny from a W41 would be the best for DOHC cars, just FWIW. i know he alerady decided. Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 19, 2006 Report Posted January 19, 2006 Lq1 remember, not pushrod v6 so even turbosedan told me that a tranny from a W41 would be the best for DOHC cars, just FWIW. i know he alerady decided. i did? maybe i did, i don't remember seriously though, i have no idea what would be good for the LQ1. i've never even driven an LQ1 W-body. Quote
dohcfiend Posted January 20, 2006 Report Posted January 20, 2006 no contest as far as gearing for a lq1. a 284 IMO. after all it was designed for that specific motor in that specific car. if knowlege serves me the 284 was ONLY available in a lq1/wbody. who cares if you have to pay more for a clutch. but if you are deadset on a 282, there may be 284 gear ratios available for it. yes the 284 is heavier but i am very satisfied with mine. 284's can be rebuilt but it is high. you have to be doing something to actually break one. sorry about the double post Quote
Guest TurboSedan Posted January 20, 2006 Report Posted January 20, 2006 no contest as far as gearing for a lq1. a 284 IMO. after all it was designed for that specific motor in that specific car. if knowlege serves me the 284 was ONLY available in a lq1/wbody. who cares if you have to pay more for a clutch. but if you are deadset on a 282, there may be 284 gear ratios available for it. yes the 284 is heavier but i am very satisfied with mine. 284's can be rebuilt but it is high. you have to be doing something to actually break one. sorry about the double post bah....who cares what GM designed the gearing for the 284 for the LQ1. it's not like they had performance in mind like most of us do. you can't just say something along the lines of "well GM designed the 284 for the LQ1 so it's better no matter what". case in point - back when i still had a measly stock NA 3.1 in my Cutlass with my W-body 282 5-speed i still would have rather had the L-body 282 gearing because 1st gear was wayyyyy too steep even back then. the only difference now is that 2nd gear is too steep with the torque i'm putting down because all i do is spin until 40mph until i hit 3rd. L-body 282 would have been good back then....much better now that i have so much more torque than i did before. L-body 282 gearing would really help my traction issues in 1st and ecspecially 2nd where i really need it. an L-body 282 would also give me better gas mileage on the highway considering it has a more overdriven 5th gear. there may be better choices for the LQ1 (in terms of gearing) and it may only be possible when using a certain type of 282. it all depends. just another reason to use the 282 over the 284 IMO - it's more versatile in terms of gearing and FDR. the 284 on the other hand only comes in one flavor. sure it's stronger that the 282, but the 284 sure does have its share of disadvantages over the 282. RedGTP said something about the oil being very black and even some grinding with his 284.....that would be enough to make me seriously consider going with a 282. without a doubt any Getrag 282 could handle a lightly modded LQ1 no problem. i'm putting down more horsepower and a helluva lot more torque than any NA LQ1 here and i certainly don't have any problems. and if i DO, then no problem. 282s are easy to come by and/or have rebuilt. the same cannot be said for the 284, which is very unfortunate. Quote
RedGTP Posted January 20, 2006 Author Report Posted January 20, 2006 .. damn ! thank's turbosedan .. I will check it .. if i not see another 284.. I have all stuff for 284 swap .. not for 282 .. :S .. reshearch a W body with 282 is very hard at quebec city .. 1 years to find my 284 :S Quote
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