92pontiac s.e. Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 :oops: Okay,I've gotten everything outa the way to get to the i.c.m. (starter,oil filter),And i've removed the 2 screws that i could see,And i've also taken the screws out of the coils,But the i.c.m. still won't move,Is there another screw somewhere that i'm missing,Or do you have to take everything off (plug wires and coils)Before it'll move? This car is my only means of transportation,So all help is greatly appreciated,Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 if you take off the 2 bolts for each coil it should fall off, mine did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 It's kind of a bitch to do. Pull the coils off, and then make sure you have both retaining bolts off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 i only see one bolt for each coil,my cars a 92 G.P.,Do the coils maybe run diffirent fom year to year? Maybe I'm just not seeing it,I'll go look and try again,Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitaloutsider Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Each coil has 2 bolts, and IIRC, the ICM is held on with 3. The third one is a total whore to get to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 I just leave the bracket on it's not worth taking off IMO. So off come the coils, and so do the ICM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 Fu%k,I can't even SEE the top 3 screws holding the coils on,I was hopeing to leave the wires and everything attached,But i guess that's not going to happen.What's the easiest way to get to the top 3 screws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5speedz34 Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 It's not hard just feel around with your finger, and then guide your socket in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 exactly. they are 5.5 mm btw. take all three coils loose and remove and off comes the module, the coil bolts are all that hold it in. p.s. why are you taking them off? a no-start condition? Have you checked the crankshaft postion sensor already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 The car won't start because the i.c.m. has gone bad,That's why i'm replaceing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 ok, keep us posted. got it off yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOHCRagtopguy Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 just feel around with your finger, and then guide your socket in there. Put some hair around that thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 DOHCragtopguy,You got jokes Crazy K,With everything going on at this joyous time of year,I'll have to wait till friday until i can work on the car again,But thanks to all for the replies,And I'll post to let you know how things go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 ok. My only worry would be if you did all the work and it was something else. I've never actually had a bad module, just bad crank sensors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey b Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Take it to NAPA to get tested. THey seem to be the only ones with a tester that works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Well,I have the car back together and it STILL won't run,it's getting spark now but it still won't start :cuss: :dammit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Now, did you replace the crank sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 No,I haven't,Could someone tell me where it's located And how much it cost?And most important of all,How hard is it to replace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey b Posted December 26, 2005 Report Share Posted December 26, 2005 is it even attempting to start? If it is not firing at all, you will need to check for fuel pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 You do have spark on all 6 plugs? or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 27, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 I've checked for spark,That seems to be fine,It's also getting fuel,I've also checked the timeing chain,That seems to be fine,Car still won't start :x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 all six? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Well,I've found out the plugs are fouled and need to be replaced,And compression is down from trying to start the car,So The plugs will be changed and oil put into the cylinders to try to bring up compression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted December 28, 2005 Report Share Posted December 28, 2005 Well,I've found out the plugs are fouled and need to be replaced,And compression is down from trying to start the car,So The plugs will be changed and oil put into the cylinders to try to bring up compression. compression down from trying to start the car???? I recommend using basic OEM AC Delco plugs, not bosch. Not champion, not the brand they sell at walmart which made by brothers firends lumina misfire when cold. (at least less than it did before was all he cared about... lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
92pontiac s.e. Posted December 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2005 A/C Delco plugs? Wow,I was told that these engines specificaly call for the bosch plugs. What's the part # for the A/C plugs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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