93CutlassSupreme Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 I hope I'm not asking a stupid question here, but How easy/hard would it be to install a CS130-D into a 3.1 w-body equipped with a CS130? Anyone have any info about Wiring differences? Mounting differences? Would it even align with the belt? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29171&highlight=cs130d http://www.w-body.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=34744&highlight=cs130d Found those just by searching for "CS-130D" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihela816 Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Yeah, those links don't even touch this. There were like 6 posts betwwen the 2 links, and one was about the 3.4. Do we need brackets from a newer 3.1? 3100? I know the plug is different, and the wiring simply needs changed to the newer plug. How about power steering lines? Does the old rear brace still bolt up? How about the newer one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Would be usefull to name the thread " CS130-D into 3.1?" or something along those lines other than "alternator question". If everyone made stuff more specific then in the future the stupid search function would actually be easy to use. Just a general suggestion to everyone. Sorry for the hijack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 im curious on this too, My alt is definatly going dead, its rusty fan and its starting to howl, and the lights dim like crazy under any load. So an Adapter is the only thing needed for this? Or Will it mount in the same spots? And where do you get these again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Would be usefull to name the thread " CS130-D into 3.1?" or something along those lines other than "alternator question". If everyone made stuff more specific then in the future the stupid search function would actually be easy to use. Just a general suggestion to everyone. Sorry for the hijack. point taken back to the first post, does the CS-130D bolt right onto a 3.1 Multiport? If not, what mounting mods are required? What wiring mods are required too? I've never seen a CS-130D plug, so saying "change the plug/wiring" doesn't tell me shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THe_DeTAiL3R Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 [What wiring mods are required too? I've never seen a CS-130D plug, so saying "change the plug/wiring" doesn't tell me shit I don't know about mounting it, but I'm assuming you might just need to cut and splice the wire connector. It's what, like 2 wires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mihela816 Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 http://www.alternatorparts.com/alternator_wire_harness_adapter.htm the CS130D plug is the rounded one on the top. The sqarish one is the cs130 plug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 I take it then nobody has any information about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeZ34 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yea, GarrettPowered has information about the CS-130D and the 3.1. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't seen this thread yet. Shoot him a PM, I'm sure he could give you some advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yea, GarrettPowered has information about the CS-130D and the 3.1. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't seen this thread yet. Shoot him a PM, I'm sure he could give you some advice. thanks, but Sorry, this user doesn't exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeZ34 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Sorry, it's Garrett Powered I forgot it has a space in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 i wanna know, mabye some1 should do a full write up in the FAQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bossman429 Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Yea, GarrettPowered has information about the CS-130D and the 3.1. I'm honestly surprised he hasn't seen this thread yet. Shoot him a PM, I'm sure he could give you some advice. I was going to recommend talking to him as well, he seems to have a boner for those CS-130D's when someone posts about electrical problems. I'm not sure for far out of the TGP section he ventures though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 i sent him a PM, hopefully he'll respond. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnatGoSplat Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 The CS-130D in my 94 Cutlass doesn't seem to be any more reliable than the CS-130. I don't have the service info for older cars with me, but the CS-130D wiring is very simple. I looked up both 96 and 2000. The big wire is the output wire, and there is a 2nd wire to turn on the alternator. The alternator is grounded through its body. Very simple. The ALT light is controlled by the PCM when it detects an undervoltage condition. I could be wrong, but I thought on the CS-130, the alternator itself had an output to drive the light. This doesn't seem to be there on the CS-130D's, although the 130D's have 2 unused pins. One of them possibly could drive an ALT light. Physically, I think you'd have to change that bracket that bolts onto the head. The pics I've seen of CS-130D's look like the mounting is different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 OK, I found out the Phoenix Gold alt. story my friend told me was total bullshit and he will be recieving a dead arm for it. There was no such thing as a 15-16 volt system available according to reliable sources. So if you want to look into a Stinger brand one you may have better luck. I guess they have a 325 amp model. If you want one that puts out a reliable 165 amps then go with a CS130D that has its internals beefed up with a bigger stater , capaciters, brushes. I had one built at a custom alternater shop. They had to get the case clocked right and needed my bracket so they could machine it down on the upper mount so it would fit. So bring in the bracket. The wiring can be tricky, but the letters corespond on the plug if I remember right. Then we figured out how to run a better charge wire. We just shrink wrapped the factory charge wire and the ring terminal on it and tucked it down because running 2 charge wires was splitting the voltage and would not keep the battery charged that way. I run a 2 gauge charge wire right off the alt. post. The stud on a cs 130 d is bigger around and the factory ring don't fit anyway. So just run a 4 gauge(at least) wire from the alt to the charge post. And you will not benefit completely from all this until you make new 4 gauge grounds from the battery to the frame and block/alt. bracket to frame. Don't forget to wireloom all wires with split loom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted December 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 OK, I found out the Phoenix Gold alt. story my friend told me was total bullshit and he will be recieving a dead arm for it. There was no such thing as a 15-16 volt system available according to reliable sources. So if you want to look into a Stinger brand one you may have better luck. I guess they have a 325 amp model. If you want one that puts out a reliable 165 amps then go with a CS130D that has its internals beefed up with a bigger stater , capaciters, brushes. I had one built at a custom alternater shop. They had to get the case clocked right and needed my bracket so they could machine it down on the upper mount so it would fit. So bring in the bracket. The wiring can be tricky, but the letters corespond on the plug if I remember right. Then we figured out how to run a better charge wire. We just shrink wrapped the factory charge wire and the ring terminal on it and tucked it down because running 2 charge wires was splitting the voltage and would not keep the battery charged that way. I run a 2 gauge charge wire right off the alt. post. The stud on a cs 130 d is bigger around and the factory ring don't fit anyway. So just run a 4 gauge(at least) wire from the alt to the charge post. And you will not benefit completely from all this until you make new 4 gauge grounds from the battery to the frame and block/alt. bracket to frame. Don't forget to wireloom all wires with split loom. I take it you're saying it takes machine work to fit a CS-130D into a 3.1? I didn't follow your directions totally. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
94CutlassSLCoupe Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 I'd be real suprised if the one from a 3100 wouldn't bolt right on as I have seen several '94 Berettas with 3100's that have the old CS-130 on them...especially since the alternators are mounted in the same spot. You might just need some 3100 brackets. here's an old pic...i'd get a better one if i had the car here...I've got the Quad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted December 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 this spring i'm going to aquire a CS-130D and 3100 brackets and go from there. that's a good idea though, i didn't think of using 3100 brackets at all. I just wonder if 3100 brackets will bolt to a 3.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacecadetz26 Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 yes they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
93CutlassSupreme Posted December 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Powered Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 I think all the guy did was grind it down. But I guess he used a lathe to do it. When I got it back it was painted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patgizz Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 i have the 3x00 alternator bracket and wiring if you want to PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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