GutlessSupreme Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I'm probably going to keep the details short, and the pictures aplenty. As much as I hate to do it, I'm going to hackjob fix the TSTE. Right now, the camshaft in it is trash. I'm going to remove it, clean the hell out of the inside of the motor, reuse my lifters and pushrods, and, yep, you guessed it: use the 139k camshaft out of the TGP. Yes, this is a terrible idea. Only things I'm going to replace on the TSTE are the timing chain and sprockets, and any gaskets/o-rings I can while I'm in there. This only has to last me until like next summer. Hopefully it'll be getting a top end swap at that point, along with the Getrag swap. Of course, it'll get a new cam, pushrods and lifters at that point. I might go as far as to replace the rings too, which wouldn't be a bad idea on this 155k motor. Pics, day 1: it's cold in the garage I didn't have one of those balanced pulley removers readily available, so I grabbed the next best thing. A 10 pound sledge. Go4DaMo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Awsome, really glad your repairing it, That Turbo STE is a nice car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1138 Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 :shock: Just be careful dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabz Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 How much are those engine hoists and where can i get one? MMMM heaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intlcutlass Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 I'm probably going to keep the details short, and the pictures aplenty. As much as I hate to do it, I'm going to hackjob fix the TSTE. Right now, the camshaft in it is trash. I'm going to remove it, clean the hell out of the inside of the motor, reuse my lifters and pushrods, and, yep, you guessed it: use the 139k camshaft out of the TGP. Yes, this is a terrible idea. If I were you I would keep my eyes open on ebay.... I got a cam (new) for $20.00 I just can't see inviting another potential disaster, because if it does fail, you will be kicking yourself in the ass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Do I REALLY REALLY want this? edit: it seems that I do.. and for that price.. :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 How much are those engine hoists and where can i get one? MMMM heaters. Haven't a clue, borrowed it from a Volvo guy up the street.. things fuckin hardcore though, I'll tell ya that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabz Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-GM-3-1-V6-CAM-LIFTERS-WITH-TIMING-SET-NEW_W0QQitemZ8016914466QQcategoryZ33614QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Do I REALLY REALLY want this? Hell Ya man, nothing like driving with new lifters and cam shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1990lumina Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 How much are those engine hoists and where can i get one? MMMM heaters. Does Edmonton have a Rpincess Auto - must have.....anyway I know they have one model...Costco sometimes as them i've seen....however I don't think the ones I mentioned a are a good as the one in the picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herb427sc Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 The hoist looks just like the one I got from Harbor Freight about 10 years ago. The only problem was the shaft on the Hoist Cylinder was not chrome plated. You can buy them now for under $200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supreme_style21 Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 thats the same lift I have in the garage too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White93z34 Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 wow for a brand new cam lifters, etc. $35... you'd be retarted NOT to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Damn Little T :shock: you got bad luck with engines.... fix it up good!! I should clarify! the motor in the pics is the TGP motor.. I was stealing the cam via brute force attack But now that I see that auction, chances are the only thing I'll be saving from the TGP is the transmission (which does appear to be rebuilt, now that I've dropped the pan and seperated it from the motor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gp90se Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 the tranny outta my tgp only had 5k on it, after 4-5 rebuilds that didnt last (so the story goes). I have a chery picker in my yard, bought it for $180 from a place called C.A.P when ya pull it all apart, pull the drain plug, toss kerocine all thru the top end of the motor, might even want to put the plug back in, put 5 quarts into the crank, turn in over by hand a few times and drain it again. magnet on the drain plug to get all the metal outta the motor. Good luck JOHN GTPPRIX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 thanks man 8) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8016315665&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Is there any reason those wouldn't fit a '90? I know the lower intake might be a little different on pre-'91s but I thought the gaskets would all be the same. They look the same, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabz Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Yep, yours is a 189, you can check felpros application guide on there website, I say go for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 No I know, I was just wondering why it said '91+ I'll check the website later.. gonna be late for work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabz Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 usually the felpro sticker says that man. look up the part number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 i prefer the paper Felpro plenum gaskets. Jeff M mentioned one time that one of his friends tried using those metal/o-ring plenum gaskets on a TGP, but couldn't get it torqued properly with an in/lb wrench and broke the plenum :shock: those ones listed above probably would work; the difference is the '91 bolts are 'bigger'. well, '91+ plenum bolts themselves are smaller, but they have a rubber sleeve which makes the bolt holes in the plenum (and gaskets) bigger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 25, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Paper gasket? Never seen them... I broke the original LIM on the TGP.. was using Napa's gaskets (whatever they carry, don't know if it's actually Napa brand). Not the fault of the gaskets though, I just overtightened. And I'm not so much worried about the upper intake gaskets.. I still have a set of spares I think. It's the LIM gasket I want (that's cheap for the full intake kit, and I'm tired of using Napa's two piece LIM gasket that has no chance of being reused if I need to remove the LIM again). I even have a good TB gasket, and I'm just gonna swap the oil pump drive from the TGP motor because the silicoln o-ring is a bitch to get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 I goofed once and tried to install paper gaskets on a 91+. The hold-down bolts don't lock down against the plenum and left a large gap where the plenum abviously wouldn't have been sealed. The metal type is for the 91+ The bolts have a metal sleeve with a rubber jacket, the bolts become tight against the metal sleeve, and "suspend" or "float" the plenum in position between the "rubber washer top part of the rubber jacket" and the o raings in the gasket. The paper type is for 90-, the plenium has small hold down holes, the bolts hold the plenum down directly. if you want to use 91 style style then you need to get the correct bolts, and use a newer plenum or ream out all your bolt holes! I like the newer style more and it shouldn't be hard to retrofit if you really wanted to. after all softer aluminum reams easily! Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy K Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 GutlessSupreme, ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Put the new o ring on! (unless you don't mind being sorry later) wrap the shaft with a plastic bag to get it to position without damaging it and lube it as you do so, then cut the bag away. I have always double sealed my drive gears (9 so far) using a cardboard gasket in addition to a new O-ring. the gasket off of a 1975 chevy belair v6 should fit perfectly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GutlessSupreme Posted November 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 GutlessSupreme, ARE YOU KIDDING ME?Put the new o ring on! (unless you don't mind being sorry later) wrap the shaft with a plastic bag to get it to position without damaging it and lube it as you do so, then cut the bag away. I have always double sealed my drive gears (9 so far) using a cardboard gasket in addition to a new O-ring. the gasket off of a 1975 chevy belair v6 should fit perfectly! It is fucking new. It was only in the motor for a week before I blew it the fuck up. I'm not fucking stupid. Sorry, really pissy mood and having the first few drinks of my life tonight. Not a great combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 if you want to use 91 style style then you need to get the correct bolts, and use a newer plenum or ream out all your bolt holes! I like the newer style more and it shouldn't be hard to retrofit if you really wanted to. after all softer aluminum reams easily! Ken - you can use a '91+ plenum on an '88-'90 LIM; just use the '88-'90 (bigger) bolts. i have done it and it worked fine; but it wasn't quite 'right' IMO. - you cannot use the '88-'90 plenum (like a TGP plenum) on a '91+ LIM. the '91+ bolts with the rubber sleeves are too big to fit through the earlier plenums, and even if you did drill the plenum bolt holes out so they would fit, the '91+ bolts are too small to thread into the earlier LIM. you could drill the plenum out bigger, but those bolts won't even come close to threading into the earlier LIM. it just won't work. to do it the right way, swap plenums and LIMs together as a matched set; IOW, '88-'90 plenum should be used with the '88-'90 LIM and vice versa. if you want to keep your TGP plenum, then keep the '88-'90 LIM you have. btw, the paper gaskets won't work on '91+ 3.1 MPFI engine? are the bolt holes in the paper gaskets too small? i really think the gaskets should be interchangeable. that would suck; no way would i use those metal/o-ring gaskets ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 It is fucking new. It was only in the motor for a week before I blew it the fuck up. I'm not fucking stupid. Its not new if its been used for a week. Used ones will not seal and you will have a nice oil leak and you'll be pissed at yourself later. Don't reuse it, even if it was only used for a week. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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