Miko K Posted November 12, 2005 Report Posted November 12, 2005 I have been looking for info on the factory Torsen diffs. So far I know that the Calais W41 came with a torsen on the "HIGH OUTPUT" QUAD4's. Other cars also equipped with the awesome unit are Beretta GTZ HO Quad4, Achieva SCX HO Quad4, Grand Am HO Quad4. Can anyone confirm that all HO's came with the torsen? I am looking to buy a used transmission(gears and diff) and just want to make sure I will have a pleasant surprise when I open it.
Canada Posted November 12, 2005 Report Posted November 12, 2005 The only 282 to come with a factory LSD of some sort is a W41 car.......thats the Olds Calais. Good luck finding one....if you do, be sure to grab the cams and ECU....Quad 4 guys LOVE those parts.
Miko K Posted November 12, 2005 Author Report Posted November 12, 2005 Come on, you guys with 1000's of posts. I don't want to be the one that knows more than you about the torsen. :gone2far: ...Headlight covers and muffler tips...Everyone is an expert at that. bump...
5speedz34 Posted November 12, 2005 Report Posted November 12, 2005 Canada, pretty much spelled it out. Only the Calais W41 and I think the Calais 442 are the ones that got it.
mihela816 Posted November 12, 2005 Report Posted November 12, 2005 Actually 190 HP and 165 tq is very impressive for a 2.3 4 cylinder that was designed in 1987.
94CutlassSLCoupe Posted November 12, 2005 Report Posted November 12, 2005 Our Quad4 HO 5-speed Car does not have a Limited Slip Differential...It is a W-body though You can lay rubber with both tires though...gotta love those equal length halfshafts...no torque steer either.
cutlassdude96 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 only the W41 got the LSD 190hp, 160tq vroom vroom
Canada Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Our Quad4 HO 5-speed Car does not have a Limited Slip Differential...It is a W-body though You can lay rubber with both tires though...gotta love those equal length halfshafts...no torque steer either. Try doing that around a corner though..............ANY open diff can lay both tires in a straight line.
Miko K Posted November 13, 2005 Author Report Posted November 13, 2005 Well, I will try different sources of info. Like I said- the Achieva SCX, Calais W41 and Beretta GTZ have them for sure. The question was do they allways have them(including the Grand Am w/HO Quad4) or is it an option. I will try finding RPO codes for the Getrags that came equipped with the Gleason-Torsen unit and I will post info about it. I am onto something guys, I will let you all know soon.
Canada Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Dumbass.....Beretta GTZs do not have a LSD....they are strictly an open diff. Trust me, I came from the Beretta world (Beretta.net)......I know these things. The only Getrag 282 to get a LSD was the W41 optioned cars....thats IT.
spacecadetz26 Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 Achieva SCX also got this special option package, its actually called C41 and not W41. They also recieved a/c delete, and a baffled fuel tank. As far as I know only 11 of these special optioned cars exist. And the regular W41 cars are hard enough to find, I have personally only seen 1 in the junkyard and about 10 on the street and I look at every achieva i pass.
Canada Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 I alsmost forgot about the C41 cars........pretty much nonexsistant.....sounds like they wre race ready....what series would of they raced in?
Guest TurboSedan Posted November 13, 2005 Report Posted November 13, 2005 does this Torsen LSD work like a Quaife, or something like a cheaper Phantom Grip? or is the Torsen completely different? is a Quaife or Torsen or any other type of LSD available aftermarket for the 282?
Canada Posted November 14, 2005 Report Posted November 14, 2005 Torsen diff works a lot like a Quafie diff.....I'm not sure how a Phantom Grip works, other than they are cheap, and work okay. Thing thing is with a geard type diff (like a Quaife or Torsen) both wheels have to have traction.......so you can't have one wheel in the air....which is something you might be doing when going around a corner at high rates of speed. It takes a difference in axle speeds for it to work. I prefer a clutch type diff (like whats in this Cobra)......both axles are locked together....UNLESS there is a major force difference....like going around a corner. SCC had a really good article on diffs awhile ago.....giving a good description how they work and the pros and cons for each. One thing is for certain, any type of LSD is better than an open for racing. I know there are a couple Quad 4 guys that have Torsen diffs............I assume Mantapart has one around.....being the J/A body racing wizards that they are. Here is a good article from Gleason... http://www.torsen.com/files/Traction_Control_Article.pdf Here is a picture of a Torsen diff....
Vegeta Posted November 14, 2005 Report Posted November 14, 2005 I have a 282 from a W41 car. I doubt it has the LSD in it though, as the only cars to get that were the SCCA cars or whatever race prepped versions GM made. They weren't your normal W41. No AC or heater I believe, and other stripped down stuff to make it weigh less.
Miko K Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Posted November 14, 2005 These LSD's suck, compared to the Torsen. The torsen acts as a LSD, because of the worm gears inside( can't drive the worm gear backwards) whether the spring-loaded one uses friction to limit wheel spin. The clutch material eventually wears off, sending particles through the entire tranny(very bad on automatics) and when it's really worn out, you have to rebuild it, otherwise the springs might pop out (INTENSE) and destroy a few tranny internals. Also, how can you tell when is the time for rebuild??? Have you guys seen the torsen diff phisically? If so- when you look through the axle bearing, can you see right through or is the hole blocked of by the output gear?
spacecadetz26 Posted November 14, 2005 Report Posted November 14, 2005 you see right through the trans with a torsen.
Miko K Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Posted November 15, 2005 Thanks. The research continues- I found out some things about the origins of our Getrag transmissions. Of course, the are german, overseas they have a few different options- 4x4, 6psd. They are used by Opel (Vauxhaul in UK) and adapted for GM at some point. Quaife makes their famous ATB differential for the Getrags, so far I can confirm only the F23. In UK it is sold by http://www.v-tuning.com for 570 pounds(~970 US $). Quaife America sells the same ATB's for $1445 :shock:, sons of b@tches!!! Tommorow I will get the specs off my 282 diff, to see if quaife makes one for it. By the way, I have called 2 different junkyards for the W41 tranny, to see if it has the torsen in it and both of them never called back. I don't even mention the word "torsen", hoping that they won't find out and sell it for big $$$, and still no answer. One more thing- I have to find out if the internals of the getrags are the same, maybe someone can shime in. I have in mind the 282, F23, F25(Saab). Quaife also makes straight cut gear sets for the F16/F18/F20, which I assume are all the same and a separate kit for the F25. These kits add a 6-th gear to the 5spds and are also more durable, aside from the cool gear whine.
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2005 Report Posted November 15, 2005 Thanks. The research continues- I found out some things about the origins of our Getrag transmissions. Of course, the are german, overseas they have a few different options- 4x4, 6psd. They are used by Opel (Vauxhaul in UK) and adapted for GM at some point. Quaife makes their famous ATB differential for the Getrags, so far I can confirm only the F23. In UK it is sold by http://www.v-tuning.com for 570 pounds(~970 US $). Quaife America sells the same ATB's for $1445 :shock:, sons of b@tches!!! Tommorow I will get the specs off my 282 diff, to see if quaife makes one for it. By the way, I have called 2 different junkyards for the W41 tranny, to see if it has the torsen in it and both of them never called back. I don't even mention the word "torsen", hoping that they won't find out and sell it for big $$$, and still no answer.One more thing- I have to find out if the internals of the getrags are the same, maybe someone can shime in. I have in mind the 282, F23, F25(Saab). Quaife also makes straight cut gear sets for the F16/F18/F20, which I assume are all the same and a separate kit for the F25. These kits add a 6-th gear to the 5spds and are also more durable, aside from the cool gear whine. gear whine is annoying as hell
Miko K Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Posted November 15, 2005 If ya aint got nothin to say, don't say nothin. Keep on topic.
Canada Posted November 15, 2005 Report Posted November 15, 2005 Who the fuck are you? He DID say something........and actually voiced the view of most of this board. I say building a FWD trans is a band-aid......*I* would rather go buy something that makes power (and can handle) the power out of the box.
Miko K Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Posted November 15, 2005 Who the fuck are you? He DID say something........and actually voiced the view of most of this board. I say building a FWD trans is a band-aid......*I* would rather go buy something that makes power (and can handle) the power out of the box. More power to you, dude... And if you want it that bad, let's start an argument. :verymad:
93CutlassSupreme Posted November 15, 2005 Report Posted November 15, 2005 If ya aint got nothin to say, don't say nothin. Keep on topic. i did have something to say, dipshit. go back to ricing out that CS
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