Shift Kit VS. Swap

[BlackMagic859]

Ok i've been wondering what would be better for my GP just installing a Shift kit, or changing to a standard, My dad was into drag racing back in the days of muscle and tells me that a shift kit would probably be better for my car considering im only getting into drag racing, but a lot of people tell me i should swap

[Psych0matt]

for the money, shift kit. 5 speeds are hella more fun, but its gonna cost ya. for the strip a kit should be pretty good too.

[jeremy]

 

Automatics are more consistant in the 1/4 mile if you end up bracket racing.

[gpse_97]

what company makes a shift kit for the 4T60-E?

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

I agree shift kit would be better suited for the 1/4 mile.

 

Some engines may bennefit from having a manual (ie 2.8 in the older w-bodies were like low 17 with 5-speed and around 18 w/auto.) but some like the 3.4DOHC it doesn't seem to matter much.

[BlackMagic859]

Right now with my automatic as it is i was hitting high 17's so how much of a difference would a shift kit make?

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

I see in your profile you have a 93 GP 3.1 ...

 

Personally with that I would go for a stick to gain some speed in 1/4 mile. I don't know about others here but I believe having the extra gears will get you in the low 17s with that engine. 3.1s just don't have top end so autos kill performance..

A shift kit *might* give you a tenth or something, not a whole lot.

 

But really the question you should be asking yourself is what you really want to achieve by taking your car to the track. I know what it's like to get spanked constantly in the 1/4 mile, and unless you turbocharge it or something maybe you should consider a different car before spending all the money into a 5-speed swap. That being said a shift kit might be best for your wallet.

[Bossman429]

I think B&M makes a "shift Improver" for the 4T60-E. Check Summit Racing, I think I've seen em there.

Found it:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail.asp&autofilter=1&Ntt=trans+shift&N=4294822072+4294846070&part=GRN%2D420105&autoview=sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

I'd give that a try and see if you like it, if not, then sell it to some sucker on the board and swap to a 5 speed.

[pwmin]

so that would be a 4t60 (th125 or whatever)? if so, a shift kit would probably be beneficial. if it's electronically controlled, forget it. shift kits dont do much if anything. i wouldnt do a manual swap. i would do the shift kit (if its not electronically controlled) and just get the best time you can and bracket race it to get consistent and then get a faster car if you even like drag racing or do an L67 swap. you might get tired of drag racing. don't know why, but it's possible. i voted for a 5speed swap, but i retract it. i didnt read the post first. :alcoholic:

[BlackMagic859]

as far as i know the kit im looking into isn't electronic, its supposed to go directly into the transmission

[pwmin]

not the kit, the tranny.

[gpse_97]

ya an electrical shift kit isn't worth it for me. I wounder if we can shim the Shift Accumulators like on the 4T65-E.

[sonyman87]

I think B&M makes a "shift Improver" for the 4T60-E. Check Summit Racing, I think I've seen em there.

Found it:

http://store.summitracing.com/default.asp?target=partdetail.asp&autofilter=1&Ntt=trans+shift&N=4294822072+4294846070&part=GRN%2D420105&autoview=sku&Ntk=KeywordSearch

I'd give that a try and see if you like it, if not, then sell it to some sucker on the board and swap to a 5 speed.

 

never seen that one. maybe that would help my trany.

[digitaloutsider]

If you have a 88-93 Grand Prix and a 2.8/3.1, just swap in a 5-speed. It's practically plug and play.. The hardest part is mounting the clutch pedal.

[BlackMagic859]

If you have a 88-93 Grand Prix and a 2.8/3.1, just swap in a 5-speed. It's practically plug and play.. The hardest part is mounting the clutch pedal.

How much would the swap cost

[digitaloutsider]

As much as you can get the parts for. It can be done as cheap as $300. Hell you can buy a 5-speed parts car for that and have everything you need.

[93CutlassSupreme]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

[sl3196]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

 

Then why post?

 

[Psych0matt]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

 

Then why post?

 

 

Because he's got a good point.

[sl3196]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

 

Then why post?

 

 

Because he's got a good point.

 

Not really..

[THe_DeTAiL3R]

What about Zoomer's 9second turbo+supercharged Grand Prix?

[BlackMagic859]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

no im sure i won't be doing professional drag racing with my grand prix but im not gonna walk the same road as everyone else and buy a civic or dip into my pockets and try to buy a muscle car not that i don't like either but i prefer the road less Traveled anybody can buy one of the cars above but i myself choose to be different

[93CutlassSupreme]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

 

Then why post?

 

 

Because he's got a good point.

 

Not really..

 

most of our cars run what, a 17 second quarter?

 

Dan, even your GTP ran what, a 15 stock?

 

these arn't exactly fast times.

 

hell, i could pick up a 15 year old Mustang 5.0 for under a grand and run the quarter as fast as a stock L67, and then if i wanted more speed i could work on it, but i'd still be ahead because i paid less for the car and 302 parts are cheaper than any comparable parts in the w-body aftermarket

 

 

i'm not saying w-bodies are junk, because they are not, but it isn't wise to create a w-body drag car

[sl3196]

Last time I checked this is a w-body enthusiest site.

[Guest TurboSedan]

i didn't vote because if you're serious about drag racing, you wouldn't be doing it in a w-body

 

Then why post?

 

 

Because he's got a good point.

 

Not really..

 

most of our cars run what, a 17 second quarter?

 

Dan, even your GTP ran what, a 15 stock?

 

these arn't exactly fast times.

 

hell, i could pick up a 15 year old Mustang 5.0 for under a grand and run the quarter as fast as a stock L67, and then if i wanted more speed i could work on it, but i'd still be ahead because i paid less for the car and 302 parts are cheaper than any comparable parts in the w-body aftermarket

 

 

i'm not saying w-bodies are junk, because they are not, but it isn't wise to create a w-body drag car

 

knock it off Kevin. we've heard this same shit from you before you are full of it. they may be slow *stock* but we can do things to these cars that can hardly be considered "slow". you keep it up i delete your posts.