93GTP Posted September 6, 2005 Report Posted September 6, 2005 Does anyone know if there are polyurethane lower engine mounts and transmission mount available for the lq1? Or are we stuck with oem rubber mounts? And on a side note, does anyone know where I can find polyurethane bushings for the front sway bar? I thought that some people were using ones from Energy Suspension but I e-mailed them and they told me they have nothing for my application. I guess I was mistaken? Quote
SigEpCutlass Posted September 6, 2005 Report Posted September 6, 2005 try the search function, it does wonders. this topic has been covered hundreds of times. Quote
mfewtrail Posted September 6, 2005 Report Posted September 6, 2005 Does anyone know if there are polyurethane lower engine mounts and transmission mount available for the lq1? Or are we stuck with oem rubber mounts? And on a side note, does anyone know where I can find polyurethane bushings for the front sway bar? I thought that some people were using ones from Energy Suspension but I e-mailed them and they told me they have nothing for my application. I guess I was mistaken? I've never heard of poly motor/trans mounts before for these cars. Balkamp does however offer solid rubber mounts(available through NAPA stores). For the sway bars, Energy Suspension bushings will work, they don't have them listed specifically for our cars though. I have the part #'s written down somewhere for the FE3 sway bar from people that have used Energy brand bushings before....I'll see if I can find those for you if nobody else knows them offhand. EDIT: I found the numbers that PocketRocket(Jon) from the 60* board gave me a long time ago.... 9.5160 (these are the smaller 24mm bushings) 9.5167 (these are 33mm in size) Quote
93GTP Posted September 7, 2005 Author Report Posted September 7, 2005 Yea I priced the mounts at NAPA...much cheaper than the dealer prices. I'm going to try those out. So the numbers you have listed for the energy suspension bushings will fit the inner (9.5167) and outer mounts (9.5160) on the sway bar? I know it's a 34mm bar and I guess the it tapers down to 24mm on the ends? I've never heard of poly motor/trans mounts before for these cars. Balkamp does however offer solid rubber mounts(available through NAPA stores). For the sway bars, Energy Suspension bushings will work, they don't have them listed specifically for our cars though. I have the part #'s written down somewhere for the FE3 sway bar from people that have used Energy brand bushings before....I'll see if I can find those for you if nobody else knows them offhand. EDIT: I found the numbers that PocketRocket(Jon) from the 60* board gave me a long time ago.... 9.5160 (these are the smaller 24mm bushings) 9.5167 (these are 33mm in size) Quote
mfewtrail Posted September 7, 2005 Report Posted September 7, 2005 Yea I priced the mounts at NAPA...much cheaper than the dealer prices. I'm going to try those out. So the numbers you have listed for the energy suspension bushings will fit the inner (9.5167) and outer mounts (9.5160) on the sway bar? I know it's a 34mm bar and I guess the it tapers down to 24mm on the ends? Those sizes are what Jon told me were actually on his car. I think he said the 34mm they offer is a tad too big and it might be a little difficult to get the 33's on there, but they work. Quote
SigEpCutlass Posted September 7, 2005 Report Posted September 7, 2005 i bought the rubber replacement ones from NAPA before & they were a perfect fit. I wanted the poly ones but it would have taken over a week to order them. If I didn't have bad ones that were making metal on metal contact, I might have had a review for you. If you want an upgrade, you're better off ordering billet poly mounts from FFP or another performance site. That's where you should really see a result of some sort from the mounts. Quote
19Cutlass94 Posted September 7, 2005 Report Posted September 7, 2005 93GTP, for your grand prix, the tranny mount will set you back $28.49 each and with a part number of 620-1121 line is BK. The rear motor mounts will set you back $32.49 with a part number of 602-1678 line is BK. And when they say front motor mount, Im figureing they mean the "dogbone" Quote
Spoon Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 I bought some really cool "dog bone" engine mounts from Canadian Tire, they look and act like a shock. Quote
93cuttysupreme Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 I bought some really cool "dog bone" engine mounts from Canadian Tire, they look and act like a shock. Well, that is not really gunna get you any benifit getting the power to the ground if it acts like a shock. I would like to see a picture of this though. Quote
Bossman429 Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 Many cars have the shock front mount. I've seen em on Toyota Camrys for sure. Older (82-86) Chevy 2.8 fwd engines had em too. I've seen it on a 82 Celebrity. Quote
mfewtrail Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 I bought some really cool "dog bone" engine mounts from Canadian Tire, they look and act like a shock. Well, that is not really gunna get you any benifit getting the power to the ground if it acts like a shock. I would like to see a picture of this though. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/567000-567999/567454_2_full.jpg Quote
Stevo Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 You need a solid support not one that gives to engine torque easily. Quote
gp90se Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 You need a solid support not one that gives to engine torque easily. explain that 1 to me (i might agree, i want to hear YOUR logic) Quote
digitaloutsider Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 What he's saying is, you need the upper mounts to be solid and stiff. If those "shocks" work like a shock absorber does and move when the engine moves, you're not really achieving anything. You're losing torque and wearing out the lower engine mounts. Quote
Bossman429 Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 You need a solid support not one that gives to engine torque easily. explain that 1 to me (i might agree, i want to hear YOUR logic) I'm not him, but I can provide some insight as to the uses of the two types of mounts. It really depends on the application, or use of the intended mount. A solid mount will yield far less, thus increasing noticed wheel torque that would be lost to a less sturdy mount. You are not GAINING torque by any means, simply more of it is making it to the wheels rather than being absorbed by the mount. A shock mount would absorb the shocks caused by movement in the enigne bay. Such as shifting gears, and putting the vehicle into gear. A shock mount would make shifts smoother, and less noticable in the passenger compartment. A shock mount would also decrease the amount of "shake" a car exhibits at idle. Which mount to use will depend on the application, and intended use. If you want firm shifts and more noticable power to the ground get a solid mount such as the FFP Dogbones. They can come at the cost of increased idle shake however. If you want a smooth ride, with little noticable idle shake, go the shock route. However you won't have as noticable torque. Toyota Camrys have this shock, and honestly when I sit in one idling, I can't even tell that it is running. Hope all this makes some sense Quote
gp90se Posted September 8, 2005 Report Posted September 8, 2005 Boss, you made that post to clear, i was kinda looking foward into ripping into someones reply. dead friggin on though. Quote
Spoon Posted September 9, 2005 Report Posted September 9, 2005 "mfewtrail" 's pic is exactly what i'm talking about. Quote
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