Need the years for these TGP codes

[Vegeta]

AUFR and AZRC

 

Im working on a fairly huge project:P

 

http://www.60degreev6.com/index.php?p=pages&pid=231

 

Putting up links to computer tuning sites since mick has a decent start on that and there are some in the computer tuning section of 60v6. Figure its about time I got the bins off teh ftp site where no one sees them and make them useful:)

[eclipse5302]

Don't know the years for sure, but I wanted to say nice job on the project! It looks good!

 

Jason

[SleeperRed90TGp]

Look Here.

 

 

http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/p4xref.html#1227727

[Vegeta]

why?

[SleeperRed90TGp]

Maby this is eaiser.

 

 

 

1989-90 3.1 V6 PFI turbo “V†LG5

“Vâ€Â: ASAN, ASMF, ATMJ, ATMK, AUAD, AUAF, AUFR, AZRC

[Vegeta]

I know its 89 or 90 but I need to know the year for each of those 2 codes I listed. I know which order they came in as well (alphabetical order) but I dont know when 90 starts.

[SleeperRed90TGp]

Mine is AUAD early 90 model. I would guess there both 90.

[Vegeta]

ok cool, I will mark them all as 90 then for what I have. Guess I need some 89s to compare with for the heck of it.

[Chris A]

my .02

 

They're alphabetical, and subsequently, in the right order.

 

Auad is the first 90 chip i believe with azrc being the last production chip in late late 90. I've heard of auad, auaf and azrc

[Vegeta]

I have seen AUAF listed for 89 so I marked it at that. I guess it doesnt matter overly much since its sequential order anyway but I like to have the dates right when I can.

[skalor]

You're saying that a AZRC is the last production chip?? Well, my '89 had a AZRC chip in it when I changed to Jeff's. I guess someone must have known that it was the best version.

[TurboGTU]

I got the memcal AUAF . Its off a 90 TGP.

 

Vin # 1G5WP14V5LF27667

 

Hope that helps.

[ScotSea]

I know its 89 or 90 but I need to know the year for each of those 2 codes I listed. I know which order they came in as well (alphabetical order) but I dont know when 90 starts.

 

 

 

This is what I know about them:

 

 

Year BCC Scan Id Part Number Release Date Fed/Cal

 

1989 ASAN8785 8671 16138784 02/24/89 CAL

 

1989 ASMF0645 0301 16140642 02/24/89 FED

 

1989 ATMJ5199 5181 16145198 08/11/89 CAL

 

1989 ATMK5205 5191 16145203 07/31/89 FED

 

1989 AUAD5199 5181 16148530 10/03/89 CAL

 

1989 AUAF5205 5191 16148531 07/31/89 FED

 

1989 AZRC2132 0721 16172131 08/16/91 Not Stated

 

 

 

1990 ASAN8785 8671 16138784 02/24/89 CAL

 

1990 ASMF0645 0301 16140642 02/24/89 FED

 

1990 ATMJ5199 5181 16145198 08/11/89 CAL

 

1990 ATMK5205 5191 16145203 07/31/89 FED

 

1990 AUAD5199 5181 16148530 10/03/89 CAL

 

1990 AUAF5205 5191 16148531 07/31/89 FED

 

1990 AUFR0423 0051 16150422 11/16/89 Not stated

 

1990 AZRC2132 0721 16172131 08/16/91 Not stated

 

Scot Sealander

[Guest TurboSedan]

i have memcal ATMK and the seller told me it was from a '90. the ECM has a GM replacement sticker on it but i assume they swapped over the stock memcal into the new ECM. um, sorry if that didn't help much.... :?

joshua

[Vegeta]

I know its 89 or 90 but I need to know the year for each of those 2 codes I listed. I know which order they came in as well (alphabetical order) but I dont know when 90 starts.

 

 

 

This is what I know about them:

 

 

Year BCC Scan Id Part Number Release Date Fed/Cal

 

1989 ASAN8785 8671 16138784 02/24/89 CAL

 

1989 ASMF0645 0301 16140642 02/24/89 FED

 

1989 ATMJ5199 5181 16145198 08/11/89 CAL

 

1989 ATMK5205 5191 16145203 07/31/89 FED

 

1989 AUAD5199 5181 16148530 10/03/89 CAL

 

1989 AUAF5205 5191 16148531 07/31/89 FED

 

1989 AZRC2132 0721 16172131 08/16/91 Not Stated

 

 

 

1990 ASAN8785 8671 16138784 02/24/89 CAL

 

1990 ASMF0645 0301 16140642 02/24/89 FED

 

1990 ATMJ5199 5181 16145198 08/11/89 CAL

 

1990 ATMK5205 5191 16145203 07/31/89 FED

 

1990 AUAD5199 5181 16148530 10/03/89 CAL

 

1990 AUAF5205 5191 16148531 07/31/89 FED

 

1990 AUFR0423 0051 16150422 11/16/89 Not stated

 

1990 AZRC2132 0721 16172131 08/16/91 Not stated

 

Scot Sealander

 

Now that is something I can definetly use:) THANKS! You wouldn't happen to have the .bin files for all those as well would you? I will work on adding those to the site without the bin files anyway since they dont have to link to anything until I get them. I need to work on a file submit form or email option.

[ScotSea]

Now that is something I can definetly use:) THANKS!

 

You are welcome.

 

You wouldn't happen to have the .bin files for all those as well would you?

 

No, I have four of them. The only one I have that is not on this site is ATMK.

 

I don't use any of them anyway.... I have re-written a good portion of the TGP code to work better. The TGP code was not very well written, and was very poorly calibrated. Ever notice how many of them stall? :-)

 

When test driving the TGP, the car stalled on my wife when she was driving it. She wondered why I ever wanted to buy the car. It stalled a couple times on me, before I pulled out the PROM and fixed it.

 

Right now the TGP is using a DIY_WB fully integrated into the code. The code will correct the VE tables as you drive. The actual AFR is displayed in the BLM cell position on DIACOM. The BLM position right now displays actual manifold pressure in kPa. The spark counts position displays the MAF airflow. Right now the TGP has an LT1 B-body MAF just after the airfilter. It also has a one bar MAP sensor, with the sensor port located in the air filter housing. This gives a real time baro correction, plus measures the amount of "filter drop" that the air filter restriction causes. Also the ECM calculates injector duty cycle, and that comes out in the PROM ID position.

 

The air temp sensor is mounted just after the intercooler. It is interesting to see how quickly the intercooler becomes swamped. Believe me, the intercooler has no excess capacity.... But anyway, the actual cylinder air temp used is calculated from engine temp and intake air temp, and this is displayed in the start-up coolant temp position in DIACOM. Don't try with with stock TGP code, because it will not work.

 

I guess that is enough for now.

 

Scot Sealander

[Vegeta]

Could you send me ATMK so I can add it to the site? My email is sappyse107@60degreev6.com.

 

I have heard about your programming on the TGP and not only is it impressive, its way out of my range to comprehend (other than theory). I am going to be working mostly with the DOHC 5 speed setup since it also has a problem stock. Not really stalling, but a horrible bucking on some cars. I would like to setup a wide band O2 sensor when I finish the headers and run one on each bank (one after each exhaust port would be great for flow analysis but thats overkill for someone at my level).

 

I have read that your auto BLM update uses the 2k of RAM from the 4T60-E equipped computers, which a 5 speed DOHC has and doesn't need as well. Maybe someday I will get to the point of understanding the code better. I move around different aspects so much that I never really master anything. I would have to know the execution aspect of the code first though. That and learning assembly:P

[ScotSea]

Could you send me ATMK so I can add it to the site? My email is sappyse107@60degreev6.com.

 

It's sent.

 

I have heard about your programming on the TGP and not only is it impressive, its way out of my range to comprehend (other than theory).

 

Thanks, but it is something that people can understand if they sit down and really study it. I reversed the code before there were any hacs available. You really understand how it works that way.

 

 

I am going to be working mostly with the DOHC 5 speed setup since it also has a problem stock. Not really stalling, but a horrible bucking on some cars.

 

Sounds like it gets lean. Making it lean will make it buck quite easily.

 

I would like to setup a wide band O2 sensor when I finish the headers and run one on each bank (one after each exhaust port would be great for flow analysis but thats overkill for someone at my level).

 

I know that the 3.4L in the 93-94 F-Body uses two regular O2 sensors in stock form. So it has separate fueling for left and right sides, plus it is SEFI. I would not mind adapting that ECM to the TGP, but it all takes so much time. Plus it would need a cam sensor.

 

I have read that your auto BLM update uses the 2k of RAM from the 4T60-E equipped computers, which a 5 speed DOHC has and doesn't need as well. Maybe someday I will get to the point of understanding the code better.

 

You won't regret the time it takes to really understand how it works, once you get over that learning curve. I have been doing it for about 10 years and am still learning things. I work on code about 20-30 hours a week.

 

Scot Sealander

[TurboGTU]

Since you know more that I would for years on this 727 computer and code. Would you happen to know why my 730 computers' pin F2 won't work for the boost controler. Its the same IC driver pin(pin 13 on delco IC) that the 727 uses for the boost controler. Do I have to move a flag, constant or something on the hex or what?

 

This is verry frusturating. I looked at the code (AUAF,AZRC) and its like tring to read Chinese.

 

I knew that the computer can take a Mass. I had connected my old mass sensor form my beretta and the engine responded by idleing better. I didn't leave it on since I didn't have plans on installing it at that time.

 

Any help is apreciated.

Thanks.

[Chris A]

You're saying that a AZRC is the last production chip?? Well, my '89 had a AZRC chip in it when I changed to Jeff's. I guess someone must have known that it was the best version.

 

Yeah, it was an update chip, so it may have been replaced under warranty or a factory repair. Supposed to fix some of the errors in the production chip.

[ScotSea]

Since you know more that I would for years on this 727 computer and code. Would you happen to know why my 730 computers' pin F2 won't work for the boost controler. Its the same IC driver pin(pin 13 on delco IC) that the 727 uses for the boost controler. Do I have to move a flag, constant or something on the hex or what?

 

You have the right pin. You don't need to do anything but correctly plumb up the bleeder solenoid and tubing. Why makes you say it won't control boost levels? What is the ECM or boost controller doing?

 

 

This is verry frusturating. I looked at the code (AUAF,AZRC) and its like tring to read Chinese.

 

It may be at first. It does take a long time to understand what the code is doing. It takes a real long time when you start with no hacs. Consider yourself at a real advantage there.

 

 

I knew that the computer can take a Mass. I had connected my old mass sensor form my beretta and the engine responded by idleing better. I didn't leave it on since I didn't have plans on installing it at that time.

 

If the code is a speed density algorythm, installing a MAF sensor will do nothing, as the code is not set up to read it. If you want the ECM to read the MAF, you will have to add the code to read it. This is not in any P4 ECM that I know of.

 

Scot Sealander

[brian89gp]

So how do I go about changing the chip like you do? Is this where the 68hc11 dissasembler comes into play? The only thing I am looking for is adding electric auto trans control to the TGP chip.

 

MAP to MAF, thats a hell of a lot of changes. Any reason why you did this?

 

And even more off topic it would be nice to dissasemble the assembly into something more easy on the eyes such as C. Way way above my head still.

[TurboGTU]

You have the right pin. You don't need to do anything but correctly plumb up the bleeder solenoid and tubing. Why makes you say it won't control boost levels? What is the ECM or boost controller doing?

 

So I do have the right pin. I've checked it with everyone and every schematic. Ok the boost controler soleniod...I conected the boost controler like all stock TGPs, one hose to compresor, other to wastegate. I left the part with the spunge unpluged. It wont controll boost levels because it only put out 3-5 psi in all rps and loads. Only on the track it boost to 10psi--prob turbo spike. The ECM is giving no ground pulses or any ground at all. I've even checked my wire that I put on the pin to make sure its connected right. I even used a ohm meater, one probe on the bottom side of the ecm(part with no ics, only SMcaps & SMresis) where Pin F2 is connected and the other to the end of the wire where it connects to the boost soliniod. It gave .5 ohms. The egr wire(+, hot in run) that goes to boost soliniod gave positive in run. I think Pin F2 is suppose to activate the controller(give negative, so air from compresor is suppose to leak trugh the spunge part of the solenoid) when its idling and driving up to like 8psi(or stock boost limit) when its suppose to deactivate the ground to let boost bleed off(soleniod lets compresed air from compresor to wastegate acumulator). I've checked the soliniod to see if it was good by grounding the ecm wire(disconnected wire first from ecm) to the intake and leaving the positive on. The car boost to 15psi, it acted like I had discanected the hoses, which ment it worked.

 

I want to get it working right. My ManualboostControler doesn't let me control boost very well like the ecm can.

 

My car originaly came with a mass and a map sensor system. why both? ANy way, I had left the masses' connector taped up by the Thermostat housing since the TGP car didn't have a mass. I then connected the mass to it out of curiosity by placing the map to the intake part of the the compresor. The engine responed by idling higher and steady. I diconected it. I then put a 1.5 volt bat where the map give out the signal, the engine responded by idling high then started going rich(smoking black). Strange stuff.

 

Do you supose my ecm unit is scured up? Its a remanufactured unit that came with memcal ASMJ 0692.

Thanks for your respond.