Jeff M Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 I seen some excited talks about the Revel TGP Model, got me thinking you guys (and future visitors) might like a list to know what all I have found over the years on our rare cars. If you guys like it I will make it a sticky, but for now it’s just a common Post so that I can get corrections on my speeling , grammar and content accuracy :oops: , as well as any known additions . Soon as it looks finished well enough, will then make it a sticky and this post can slide off into oblivion, or until someone needs to add something to bring it back up 8) , then I will go into the Sticky and update it. At that time I will also bold the headers. Enjoy, Jeff M. List of Articles and Dealer Literature on the TGP, TSTE, Pace Car, Car of the Year GP that started it all, more. 1987-November Hot Rod Mag, TGP Prototype, 305hp, manual tranny (with 220 lb-ft torque for the tranny) 1988-February Motor Trend Car of the Year, White Grand Prix SE (one page only) 1988-April Auto Week, small write up with pic of the same 305hp prototype, with engine pic 1988-November Car & Driver Preview Test, Black TGP many pages, lame 7.8 zero to sixty 1989-April Road & Track, Red TGP, BEST Times; 0-60 7 flat, quarter 15.3, same mag a Porsche 944 does 0-60 in 7.5 and quarter in 15.7, for $36K 1989-May Automobile, TGP Verses SuperCoupe, lame test, quoted manufacturer specs for testing acceleration times 1989-May Automotive Engineering, Pace Car one page, black & white pic 1989-Summer Action Track, Issue 10. Nice Red TGP Prototype Pics, 2 pages, funny extra with T15 Turbo being held by a mechanic over the engine bay, yea right!! 1989-June Motor Trend, Flat out Fastest where Red TGP goes 134mph on long banked oval track 1989-August Motor Trend Road Test, worst times while testing in super hot Arizona, duh! 1989-September Turbo High Tech Performance (when it was an American Mag), Red nice pics no specs 1989-October Popular Hot Rodding, single page only, and small bit of info on a black one going on the roundies 1989-October Detroit News, 10-25-89 article done, no details 1989-October Automotive Engineering, info only, states engineering terms for power/153kw-298N-m 1989-October Car & Driver Turbo STE 4-door test in words only, pic of regular 4-door STE 1989-Yearbook Wards Automotive Yearbook, 1989 TGP and other pontiac Production numbers 1989-Year Road & Track Performance Cars 89, another 7.0 0-60 run/different pics, proto engine bay 1990-January Sports Car International, Black TGP, 2-page, lame 7.8 0-60 1990-February Motor Trend Car of the year test (Lincoln won), only test of a real TSTE, 7.7 0-60 fastest of this bunch 1990-May Road & Track special Road Test Annual, lame black & white pics of same red TGP from April-89 1990-June High Performance Pontiac, 7.2 0-60, best diverse write up of this car/Red TGP 1990-June Cars.com Review of Turbo STE 1990-August Collectable Automobile, excellent write up and pics on this collector car! 1990-September Wards Auto World, Rusty Wallace Special black over gold TGP, picture only. 1997-July High Tech Performance, pretty good, someone had friends there helping him sell it 1998-October High Performance Pontiac, small info, pace car TGP (black & white photo). 2000-December Auto Trader, on-line review and pricing 1989-Year NASCAR Yearbook Press Guide (no TGP pics), lots on GP drivers 1989-Year Daytona 500, Men and Machines of Speed Weeks 89, only one pic of a Red TGP Pace Car 1989-Year Pontiac Relations Press Release for sponsored stock cars, 8x10 B&W Glossy TGP Pace Car 1989-MY Auto Show Pontiac Relations Press Release, 8x10 B&W Glossy TGP and Engine Bay 1989-February Daytona 500 Race Day Book, big red TGP Pace Car Pic, best yet, some info 1926-1992 Book, Pontiac, They Build Excitement, story starting from Oakland Motor Car, mention of TGP and TSTE, no pics 1929-1995 Book, Standard Catalog of Pontiac, production options, no numbers or pics 19xx?-2002 Book, Standards Catalog of Pontiac, newer addition, now adds pics of color TSTE, 2 B&W TSTE and a TGP B&W (no1kicker) 1990-MY Manufacturing Year Public Relations Press Release Pontiac, 8x10 B&W Glossy TGP 1990-June June 24th, Michigan International Speedway, MGD 500, compare TGP to actual race car 8) 1990-Year AC Delco Rockingham 200/500, NC 500, red TGP Pace Car pic and write up 1988-MY Dealer, Pontiac Road Cars, only has fold-out poster of White GP SE 1989-MY Dealer, Driving Enthusiast Handbook, nice Red TGP Pic 1989-MY 2nd Ed Dealer, Driving Enthusiast Handbook, Red TGP pic gone, now a white GP SE There were miscellaneous dealer sheets, post cards, pamphlets, press release flyers as well. List of Memorabilia 1988 Grand Prix SE Plastic Model Revel 7171, 1:25 scale, pic shows white, body in white but plastic white, 2 different chrome rims to chose from, also SE as well as TGP Style Aero Kit and spoiler. 1989 TGP Plastic Model Revel 7148, 1:25th scale, pic show a red TGP but the plastic body is BLACK!! Rims are also chrome not gold. 1990 Pontiac SE Plastic Model Revel 7458, 1:25 scale, plastic is red though a plastic red, 2 different chrome rims to chose from, also SE as well as TGP Aero kit and spoiler. 1990 Pontiac MGD Grand Prix Stock Car plastic Model AMT/ERTL 6916, 1:25 scale, primer gray body, 1 set chrome rims with fat slicks 1991 Pontiac Mellow Yellow Grand Prix Stock Car Model Monogram 2428, 1:24th scale, black body, 1 set chrome rims with fat slicks 1989 Daytona 500 mugs with red Grand Prix 1989 Daytona 500 Hat Emblem Hat Pin with Red Light (john) 1989 NASCAR Daytona 500 Baseball Cap (which a Red TGP Paced). 1989 NASCAR Daytona 500 Jacket Patch, originally came with Race Day book listed above. 1989 Car & Driver Collections Card: No. 305-Turbo Grand Prix. Made by Matchbox (john) 1990 Rockingham International Raceway Hatpin with Red TGP (john) Motor Week’s VHS Tape testing a Red TGP Approximately 8 minutes long. Dealer VHS Tape to educate Dealers on the TGP, 3:40 minutes long Paramount Pictures DVD Days of Thunder with Tom Cruise, Red TGP Pace Car showed 9 times, one of the 5 TGP Pace cars in the movie is owned by Larry Moran Another movie (name not remembered) where the lead character is running across the street through traffic on the city streets and cuts off a (dirty) Black TGP. 1989 Red TGP Poster 2 foot by 3 foot, original was dealer item only and very few left, had Red TGP with “Grand Prix†written on it, which was later changed to “Turbo Grand Prix†and is for sale in numbers at Jeff M’s web site Poster 1 foot by 2 foot, painting of Red TGP. Black Jacket, Red Trim, Red lettering: "Turbo Grand Prix" "NASCAR" "Official Pace Car". Sizes XL only(?) (rareGMfan) List of Service Manuals: 1988-92 Chilton’s Service Manual W-Body/Grand Prix, Cutlass, Regal, Lumina. Publication Number 8258. Approximately 2 inches thick, does cover turbo versions of the Grand Prix 1989 Helm Publications Turbo Grand Prix Service Manual Supplement, Publication Number S-89-10-W-Turbo. Less than ¾ inch thick. Full coverage of Turbo Specific for the 2-door TGP. 1989-90 Helm Publications Service Manual Update, small less than ¼ thick, adds information to 89 Pontiac Grand Prix Service Manual and 89 Supplement. 1990 Helm Publications Pontiac Grand Prix Service Manual Publications Number S-90-10-W, 2 ¼ inch thick, full up on Grand Prix with quad-4 as well as V6 NA and Turbo Version. No need for above Supplements and Updates on the 2-door TGP, 4-door supplement below. 1990 Helm Publications Pontiac Grand Prix STE Service Manual Supplement, Publication number s-90-10-W STE. Only Supplement needed with above 1990 Full Service Manual, and above is needed as there is very little info on the turbo, engine, etc. Mainly electrical diagrams and a small amount of additional info. 1988-92 GM SPO/Service Parts Operations, Engineering Publications Department, Parts and Illustration Catalog for 1988-92 W (printed 9-1991 though there are other print releases that encompass these years) Grand Prix only. Shows all parts (only 12 parts that do not show up for the TGP/TSTE, not bad!!) as well description section and exploded parts sections, also man hours and prices for way back when. Many parts numbers have been changed, some a couple of times but dealer can find updated part numbers. Nearly 3 inches thick, not going to see someone scan all these on their web site. Delco Moraine Antilock Brake System III, GM Publication Number 15005.04-1. 110 pages, electrical, mechanical operations, most pages show CAMS and Tech 1 tool diagnostics screen, something most owners will not have access to. List of Owner’s Manuals: 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix Owner’s Manual, part number: 1990 Pontiac Grand Prix Owner’s Manual, Part Number: 10176831B. 355 pages long 1990 Warranty and Owner Assistance Information, Part Number 10122640A. 30 pages long 1990 General Motors Maintenance Schedule for BOCP Passenger Cars, Part Number: 10122641B. 17 pages long 1989 Turbo Grand Prix Owner’s Manual Supplement, version is printed in Landscape and is 30 pages long. Form Number: S-89GP-W-TURBO. 1990 Turbo Grand Prix Owner’s Manual Supplement, version is printed in Portrait and is 33 pages long. Form Number: S-90GP-W-TURBO. BOTH HAVE SAME INFO though a different page count. 1990 STE/4-Door Suppliment (Form Number??:_______) 1990 Turbo Grand Prix STE/4-Door Turbo Supplement, Form number: ASC - W-29D8-1969-AXXX. (no1kicker) List of Owners Extras: Owner’s Operation Cassette Tapes (no CDs were known to be offered) regarding the “Grand Prix†and another regarding the “Turbo Grand Prix†None were known to be offered different for the Turbo STE? Plastic Credit Card Size Key Blanks for your wallet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90TGP Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Wow, and I thought I had a lot of stuff :shock:. Here's some stuff to add to that list. 1989- Daytona 500 Turbo Grand Prix emblem hatpin with red light. 1990- Rockingham International Raceway hatpin with red TGP. 1989- Car&Driver Collectors Cards: No. 305- Turbo Grand Prix. Made by Matchbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Wow, and I thought I had a lot of stuff :shock:. Here's some stuff to add to that list. 1989- Daytona 500 Turbo Grand Prix emblem hatpin with red light. 1990- Rockingham International Raceway hatpin with red TGP. 1989- Car&Driver Collectors Cards: No. 305- Turbo Grand Prix. Made by Matchbox Taken years of being on eBay and some luck local, been into these since 1989 so had a jump on being ready for articles to come out!! Thanks very much for taking the time to read all that to find what I needed to add :shock: , I will add it above 8) Thanks for the update Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RareGMFan Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Damn! :shock: Guess I'll have to adjust my TGP/TSTE magazine articles list: http://www.netavalanche.com/tgp/viewtopic.php?t=2310 By the way, Jeff. You wouldn't happen to know if this is authentic, or custom, would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1kicker Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 I was in Borders this weekend and I looked through a fairly new Pontiac book. It might have been the standard catalog of Pontiac, not sure. It was up to 2002. The STE Turbo got a color picture in the middle section. The TSTE also got 2 B&W, and the TGP got one B&W. I have the STE supplement, I don't think there is a STE Turbo one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Damn! :shock: Guess I'll have to adjust my TGP/TSTE magazine articles list: http://www.netavalanche.com/tgp/viewtopic.php?t=2310 By the way, Jeff. You wouldn't happen to know if this is authentic (jacket), or custom, would you? When this list is finalized, I can have Jim W post it over there 8) As for the jacket, I recall when they were listed on eBay, the lister said it was given away at the track when the TGP was pacing(?), to Special Event pass/Pit Pass owners most likely 8). I would have bought one if they were not XL, XL would hang on me Will add it to the list! THANKS!! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 I was in Borders this weekend and I looked through a fairly new Pontiac book. It might have been the standard catalog of Pontiac, not sure. It was up to 2002. The STE Turbo got a color picture in the middle section. The TSTE also got 2 B&W, and the TGP got one B&W. I have the STE supplement, I don't think there is a STE Turbo one? Great, they fixed it/updated the Pontiac book!!! Will add that above. There was a STE Owners Manual Suppliment, got it, Part Number Maybe?? Will wait if someone else found a Turbo STE Owners Manual Suppliment, kind of doubt it too. Thanks for the update:) !!! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleeperRed90TGp Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Damn I wish I had kept subscribing to Hot Rod and Road and Track. I've got 10 years worth. Only problem is the last year is 1973 or 4. Jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1kicker Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 There is a STE Turbo owners manual supplement. I'll see if I can get the part # from it when I get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 There is a STE Turbo owners manual supplement. I'll see if I can get the part # from it when I get a chance. "Turbo" STE Sup?, sweeeet, I was hoping, know that all too often these things are lost or kept by previous owners (dealers too ) so glad you might have one Thanks! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no1kicker Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I was lucky to get the owners manual / supplement from the previous (original) owner. I see a part # on the back, ASC - W-29D8-1969-AXXX. Here's a pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospeeder Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 they should have came with the Turbo Sup. there basicly the same, just 4 door and different name and wheels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbtk2 Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I have that same STE Turbo supplement that I got from the previous owner. We don't however have a regular Turbo supplement in the TGP coupe. Shawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 I was lucky to get the owners manual / supplement from the previous (original) owner. I see a part # on the back, ASC - W-29D8-1969-AXXX. Great, thanks !!! Looking at the part number for this Sup, and the all the ones listed above, this one has a unique numbering system, and with the "ASC" and the "AXXX" there is no doubt it was not made through the normal channels, but instead ASC must have initiated its production. I have seen (other should have too) the use of "XXX" and "XXXX" etc as part of the numbering system on the unique parts to these cars such as the rear exhaust manifold, intercooler, radiator etc. Even more history linking is being found 8) thanks again, part numbers added above Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RareGMFan Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 As for the jacket, I recall when they were listed on eBay, the lister said it was given away at the track when the TGP was pacing(?), to Special Event pass/Pit Pass owners most likely 8). I would have bought one if they were not XL, XL would hang on me Good info. :shock: My seller didn't respond at all when I inquired about this one. I figured what the hell, at the very least, it would be cool to have at shows if I ever finish the TGP and have it worthy of entering in one. Plus, it was brand new/never worn. I'm more then likely going to keep it that way. Oh, and trust me.....it is a very " '80s" XL, aka I wouldn't fit in it if I tried. A little case of the "big Armenian" syndrome (and...I don't mean big in the not so good way ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 As for the jacket, I recall when they were listed on eBay, the lister said it was given away at the track when the TGP was pacing(?), to Special Event pass/Pit Pass owners most likely 8). I would have bought one if they were not XL, XL would hang on me Good info. :shock: My seller didn't respond at all when I inquired about this one. I figured what the hell, at the very least, it would be cool to have at shows if I ever finish the TGP and have it worthy of entering in one. Plus, it was brand new/never worn. I'm more then likely going to keep it that way. Oh, and trust me.....it is a very " '80s" XL, aka I wouldn't fit in it if I tried. A little case of the "big Armenian" syndrome (and...I don't mean big in the not so good way ). For sure something that is rare and worth keeping 8) , wish I had grabbed one, but I would have wanted to wear it, XL would not work for me so same as you, it would be parked in the garage and never driven or laying on the seat in your TGP at car shows, ohhh yeaaa!! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 Well there does not seem to be many more contributions for now, sure there will be later and hope to see more. For now moving this up to a sticky so others coming later will know what to look out for mainly while cruising eBay! Thanks for all your input guys, sure is a lot of great history and background info on our cars, something to be happy with while you drive down the road and show your cars! Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90TGP Posted May 15, 2005 Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 I have a binder filled with TGP magazine articles and a little display case with TGP stuff that I take with me to car shows. 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff M Posted May 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2005 There is good idea Some like putting that Daytona 500 Baseball Cap in the back window of their car and shows, too often and the sun will fade them but they have been for sale on eBay over and over, I have 2 used ones and one new one in a case now, just looked at it and oops, it says Winston Cup Daytona 500, forgot to add the Winston Cup to the listing above, but 1989 Daytona 500 always brought up these caps, and tickets, and Pit Passes from those lucky to get back then. There is a 1990 Pontiac Press Folder/Car Show (one of those) for sale on eBay, it has those 8x10 B&W Glossies, most times they show the TGP but could not see one in the listing, only a white STE maybe TSTE can’t tell. I think I should add the link to the BlackHawk Collection regarding the 1988 Pikes Peak Racer that might have been the first true Turbo GP, it was just an 88 GPSE with no louvers or aero so not really an ASC/McLaren TGP, I just hate using links as I have seen too many times over the last 10 years dead links at web sites Guess I should still do it though since its such a unique car. I looked at it when it was for sale about 6 years ago, gave it a complete physical, copied the chip, took some pics with a lame camera and could not afford the asking price. Went back last year with a better camera but could not get good pics with it being packed tightly in the back (since it was not selling and there were so many other rare cars), and the guy showing me the car was a grumpy old man with no patience , and the price went up . I know the owner who had it before it was sold to the owner now that is listing it for sale, and I know this first owner has some literature he did not pass on to this owner, hoping after some time that literature will get old so when I call the guy he might be ready to let go of it, hopefully not for too much $$. Jeff M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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